[AfrICANN-discuss] IETF89 starts tomorrow March 2nd in London with ICANN as a host: Some interesting reading and remote participation.

[Seun Ojedeji]

Hello Victor,

On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 2:36 PM, Victor Ndonnang
<ndonnang at nvconsulting.biz>wrote:

> El,
>
> I totally agree with you on this. That why I attached Dr. Steve Crocker
> post and the "about" IETF links to my message. While acknowledging the
> great work of our Af*, more efforts are needed to improve the participation
> (not by attending physical meetings)
>

I had thought you will put a "just" before the "by" ;). Nevertheless i
think its good to be more specific; when you say more efforts, what efforts
exactly do you refer?


> and contribution to the IETF as It was the spirit of the African Internet
> Standards Forum (
> http://www.internetsociety.org/events/african-internet-standards-forum ).
>

Yeah i remember attending this particular one perhaps this could be revived
(as i don't remember it happening last year) however it should focus more
on specific drafs that can be discussed, it should seek how best to present
the IETF in a way that will communicate better to those attending.


>  African Engineers should learn more how to create rather than been
> "certified user". Been a Cisco Certified Engineer is good but there is much
> more beyond...Learning how to create a router rather than how to use it.
>

Sure, that is the normal mindset that a serious minded individual would
poses.

 For information Cisco is one of the major sponsor of the IETF.
>

Well its Internet should it be surprising that CISCO supports IETF? as a
matter of fact i think they contribute to development of RFCs more than any
other organisation (those i refer to having it in their job description)

 May be African young engineers need mentorship on how to follow and
> participate in technical mailing lists? If yes, this should been done at
> the University and national levels.
>

I agree especially if there was something at stake for the universities and
nations


>  As El. said, our house is really not in order (this is true for many
> African countries).
>

Sure we have a lot of home tidying up to do and we will continue to have
it, however this is not the only thing that hinders/allow our participation
(both remote and physical).

 "If you are not strong locally, you will be empty globally" said Dr. Nii (
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLKAm5qgldE&feature=youtu.be )
>

Yes i agree, and this is why i have not in anyway indicated IETF
participation by Africans at a global level, but rather at a local level
through running events on African soil that will stimulate discussion in
other part of the continent. AfNOG and the children that emerged after is
perhaps a good thing to reference in this regard.

My entire summary is that, we need to feel it before we can act it!

Cheers!

> Best regards,
>
> Victor.
>
>
>
>
>
> *De :* africann-bounces at afrinic.net [mailto:africann-bounces at afrinic.net] *De
> la part de* Dr Eberhard W Lisse
> *Envoyé :* Sunday, March 2, 2014 3:47 AM
> *À :* AfrICANN list
> *Cc :* Deerhake Stephen
> *Objet :* Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] IETF89 starts tomorrow March 2nd in
> London with ICANN as a host: Some interesting reading and remote
> participation.
>
>
>
> Well, the IETF's work is done on mailing list much more than on physical
> meetings. And there is (virtually) no contribution from Africa there.
>
>
>
> This is not the ITU or some other travel-talkshp, boys and girls, this is
> a pure meritocracy, zero tolerance for logorrhea or bovine manure.
>
>
>
> It's not as bad as the linux kernel mailing list where Linus Torvalds
> takes names and uses my kind of language.
>
>
>
> To the African "engineers" my advice would be to answer their email as as
> first step.
>
>
>
> It is *EXTREMELY* frustrating to try and correspond with African ccTLD
> managers even just to try and register a domain name or as in a current
> case I am trying assist with, to pay for renewals.
>
>
>
> Our house is not in order.
>
>
>
> el
> --
>
> Sent from Dr Lisse's iPhone 5s
>
>
>
>
> On Mar 2, 2014, at 9:50, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> sent from Google nexus 4
> kindly excuse brevity and typos.
> On 1 Mar 2014 20:14, "Victor Ndonnang" <ndonnang at nvconsulting.biz> wrote:
> l
> >
> >
> >
> > There is a need of having more African engineers participating in such
> Internet technical structures...More about the IETF:
> http://www.ietf.org/about/
> >
> +1 hopefully the IETF will bring itself closer to Africa (to reduce cost
> of participation). Has any ietf held in Africa in recent time? Well we may
> argue that it may not receive  participation even if it held; we may be
> surprised ;)
>
> Cheers!
> >
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Victor.
> >
> >
> >
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