[AfrICANN-discuss] "Vint Cerf on ICANN and NTIA"

Mon Jul 28 19:33:57 SAST 2014

Victor Ndonnang and Seun are sending out very strong messages
" ... Internet issues and decisions are time bound and its important we
make our voice known even within the limit of our understanding, excuse of
little or no understanding should not restrict us. "
"... when building our capacities, we must continue participating...The rest
of the world will not wait for us."

We have two representatives on the IANA stewardship committee, who reached
there by merit. Although they have our interests at heart, what feedback is
the community giving them on how to engage at that level? What is our
position? You see, as Dr. Nii has pointed out, our engage is too low on the
current issues, if we don't organise ourselves and have structured
dialogue, this too will pass us by.

Sincerely,
______________________
Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya
twitter.com/lordmwesh

"There are some men who lift the age they inhabit, till all men walk on
higher ground in that lifetime." - Maxwell Anderson

On 28 July 2014 19:28, Victor Ndonnang <ndonnang at isoc-cameroon.org> wrote:

> +1 Mwenda! And thanks to Dr. Nii for refocussing our discussion on the
> ongoing IANA Stewardship transition process.
>
>
>
> Great initiatives and great work at the national level. This is the way to
> go...I also agree that when building our capacities, we must continue
> participating...The rest of the world will not wait for us.
>
> We have two great African sons in the IANA Stewardship transition
> coordination Group and I trust them enough to support a proposal than will
> safeguard the Open Internet which is critical for the social and economic
> development of Africa and the world as well. I know the Internet Governance
> is mostly a participative democracy than a representative democracy but
> sometimes we need people with great knowledge on an issue to represent us.
>
>
>
> While questioning IANA stewardship and accountability of ICANN, we should
> also question accountability and stewardship of our national and regional
> "Internet functions" (ccTLDs, LIRs, RIR, sea cables...)
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Victor.
>
>
>
>
>
> *De :* africann-bounces at afrinic.net [mailto:africann-bounces at afrinic.net] *De
> la part de* Mwendwa Kivuva
> *Envoyé :* Monday, July 28, 2014 11:30 AM
> *À :* AfrICANN list
>
> *Objet :* Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] "Vint Cerf on ICANN and NTIA"
>
>
>
> Dr. Mshana, that is a very valid point, It's up to us in our respective
> roles in society to advocate for our Universities to adopt courses that are
> relevant with the times. In Kenya for example, there are several
> universities that teach courses with semblance to IG. As the leadership of
> ISOC Kenya chapter, we took the initiative of setting up 5 remote hubs in
> Universities to participate in ICANN 50, 3 of those remote hubs were
> successful. We are changing the community one person at a time. As the
> Kenyan Internet society, we build interest on our students by partnering
> with Universities in giving talks on IG, and ensure we invite speakers from
> industry who are seasoned in IG matters to expose the students to the
> changing times. SO the onus is on each of us.
>
> Dr. Nii, I support your call. As we build capacity in the background, let
> us move on to trending IG issues of our times. For example, what is the
> relevance of the Istanbul IGF to us? What is Africa taking to the meeting,
> and what should we take out of it? How can we ensure we are not sidelined
> come September 2015 after the IANA transition? Should we always be asking
> for handouts or we can sit at the table as equals? How do we build the DNS
> business in Africa from the current situation we are in? This is a thread
> that is begging to be started.
>
>
>
>
> ______________________
> Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya
> twitter.com/lordmwesh
>
> "There are some men who lift the age they inhabit, till all men walk on
> higher ground in that lifetime." - Maxwell Anderson
>
>
>
> On 28 July 2014 16:46, Nii Narku Quaynor <quaynor at ghana.com> wrote:
>
> Hi
>
>
>
> Actually I was hoping we would be discussing the transition, the NTIA
> statement, the process, what issues if any, what ways to get involved, what
> expectations, what benefits to Africa, why important Africa genuinely
> involved, how we communicate with national authorities on subject etc. That
> is more specific and we also have an opportunity to do something about it
> or weigh in on topic for the Internet
>
>
>
> Although national strategies are very important they are an ongoing dialog
> nationally. I doubt if africann list can do much about policy in nation
> states from here...;-) but africann list can constructively include itself
> in the ongoing consultations on the stewardship transition
>
>
>
> Great video
>
>
>
> Happy Eid
>
> Nii
>
>
> On Jul 28, 2014, at 12:23, Dr Yassin Mshana <ymshana2003 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Spot on Mamado!
>
>
>
> That seems to be one of the entry points (through formal education). That
> is why there is need to work with respective govt authorities as suggested
> earlier on....therefore credible ICT Policies may be necessary in many
> cases.
>
>
>
> Next...the publicity issue....that is why very little is known about what
> is being done....need to do more in that....
>
>
>
> Is it time to review and see how these could be amplified through the
> Strategy for Africa?
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
>
>
> Yassin
>
>
>
> On 28 July 2014 13:22, Mamadou LO <alfamamadou at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Victor and ALL
>
> Talking about education; I would like to say that I cannot imagine
> nowadays training an engineer without internet governance courses. Training
> on training governance is a big issue in Africa above all in french
> speaking countries. As Kivuva said, we must focus on internet governance;
> not only at ICANN. To address this issue, I think first step must be
> introducing internet governance courses at University.
> By the way; we face a general problem of information and communication
> (press) on internet governance within African region. Access to information
> become more and more easier with mailing lists and other social network;
> but the main issue here, is informations exploitation for a better usage
> of actors and populations.
>
> Reagards!
>
> Mamadou
>
> > Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 12:20:43 +0300
> > From: Kivuva at transworldafrica.com
> > To: ndonnang at nvconsulting.biz; africann at afrinic.net
>
>
> > Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] "Vint Cerf on ICANN and NTIA"
>
> > CC:
>
> >
> > On empowering our comrades within the continent, we should not only
> > focus on ICANN. We should focus on the bigger picture of Internet
> > Governance, to which ICANN is a small subset. A great beginning is the
> > ISOC's Next Generation Leaders online training which is holistic,
> > giving great perspectives on where we have come from, the current
> > landscape, and all actors in the space, ICANN included. I am sure the
> > NEPAD online training will be just as enriching. An ICANN fellowship
> > would not be enough without understanding the bigger picture of IG.
> >
> > Of course the biggest winner in all this is Self Drive and Interest
> > from newcomers from Africa
> >
> > On 28/07/2014, Victor Ndonnang <ndonnang at nvconsulting.biz> wrote:
> > > +1 Seun,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > There are also resources and programs within ICANN focusing to educate
> and
> > > engage newcomers interesting in what ICANN does as an important part
> of the
> > > Internet and Internet Governance ecosystems. The links to those
> resources
> > > and programs are follow:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ICANN Learn
> > >
> > > http://learn.icann.org/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The Fellowship Program
> > >
> > > https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/fellowships-2012-02-25-en
> > >
> > > The NewComer Program
> > >
> > > https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/newcomers-2012-06-18-en
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ISOC had also launched recently an ELearning Platform for Internet
> > > Governance and more:
> > >
> > > http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/inforum-learn-online
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > And remember, engagement is the best way to learn...
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > >
> > > Victor.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > De : africann-bounces at afrinic.net [mailto:africann-bounces at afrinic.net]
> De
> > > la part de Seun Ojedeji
> > > Envoyé : Sunday, July 27, 2014 3:37 AM
> > > À : africann at afrinic.net
> > > Objet : Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] "Vint Cerf on ICANN and NTIA"
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > @Dr Yassin I had sent the message below as a pm to Hafedh, now sharing
> on
> > > the list. Perhaps it can be a response to the concern of getting more
> > > educated about ICANN.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > sent from Google nexus 4
> > > kindly excuse brevity and typos.
> > >
> > > On 26 Jul 2014 20:32, "Seun Ojedeji" <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello Hafedh,
> > >
> > > Could you perhaps explain further on why you think ICANN running
> > > certification programs like CISCO et all will help improve
> understanding and
> > > participation in ICANN processes? Perhaps it will help to first
> understand
> > > the motive for certification in the first place vis the role of ICANN.
> All
> > > ICANN does is provide service and because of its strategic role on the
> > > internet, there is need to ensure that it provides its service
> efficiently.
> > > This is where accountability, participation et all comes into play; you
> > > don't need certification to participate and learn within the
> community; what
> > > you need is intentional interest to participate through getting
> involved in
> > > the community.
> > >
> > > As to outreaches, ICANN, and the region RIR are sure making effort to
> get
> > > people more people involved, nevertheless i agree that those efforts
> needs
> > > to increase. ICANN is quite large community and can be really
> challenging to
> > > understand all its processes, but it also has a great community of
> people
> > > who are willing to explain things to you and then you as an individual
> will
> > > decide which of those information to ponder upon.
> > >
> > > Internet governance has become an important imperative and i hope
> ICANN and
> > > other organisation would continue to support initiative geared towards
> > > establishing school of internet governance in the region.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > PS: Below are the urls that i mentioned in my previous mail:
> > >
> http://www.diplointernetgovernance.org/profiles/blogs/nepad-call-for-applications-for-online-training-internet-governan
> > >
> http://www.afrinic.net/en/community/iana-oversight-transition/community-engagement
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 3:45 PM, hafedh <hafedhyahmadi at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Here are some insights when it comes to Internet governance trainings
> and
> > > capacity building in Africa. Although internet outreach is still a big
> issue
> > > in Africa, I see two critical outreach engines for Africans to boost
> skills
> > > development and capacity building about internet governance and the
> core
> > > values of ICANN as well as the technical skills such IPv6 and DNSSEC,
> Root
> > > Server, etc . First, a breadth engine is required to maximize the
> outreach
> > > carrying out the primary ICANN school content like the principles,
> > > definitions and all content for new comers and ordinary audiences,
> Second
> > > the depth engine which should target an upper level advanced audience
> where
> > > trainings are more in depth about internet governance such what does
> mean
> > > transparency, human rights in internet, neutrality of the net, and
> advanced
> > > level on IPv6 deployment, whta's ICANN accountability means in the
> > > transition period, etc ... I would even suggest an ICANN certification
> > > Program, a kind of international accredited institution, like CISCO,
> > > Microaoft or oracle academy!! Last and not least, when reading this
> > > discussion, I jumped on my chair cause the subject is so vibrant and
> > > relevant to reshape the future of internet governance in Africa.
> Education
> > > and training is the force of the future, I have been engaged on this
> > > subject since a while as part of my engineering concerns on internet, I
> > > have gathered a set of data, content, I shared feedbacks with some
> ICANN
> > > friends, etc .. let's get together to share thoughts and ideas, its
> > > important to reanimate such a great debate for a concrete plan or
> action
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hafedh Al yahmadi.
> > >
> > > International TIC expert
> > >
> > > DG - CIC, tunis
> > >
> > > _____
> > >
> > > Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2014 23:29:12 +0200
> > > From: ymshana2003 at gmail.com
> > > To: africann at afrinic.net
> > > Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] "Vint Cerf on ICANN and NTIA"
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Just to add a little...I think that we need to have 'ICANN School' or
> > > College in that matter to educate people in Internet Governance. Any
> > > takers?
> > > There is enough misinformation in the air right now....that is why I
> would
> > > like to suggest so since the Internet nerds a specific and special
> approach
> > > to its global existence and reach at the moment.....I would not be
> > > comfortable with some suggestions since 'Trust and Truth' are a very
> hard
> > > Currency to trade on ..
> > > It's me Yassin
> > >
> > > On 25 Jul 2014 17:18, "oboh eromonsele" <oboheromon at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > I hope the ICANN is 100% international multistakeholder community ???
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Warm Regards,
> > >
> > > Eromonsele Oboh
> > >
> > > +2348169445429
> > >
> > > Twitter: @am_eromz
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 10:08 AM, Mamadou LO <alfamamadou at hotmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > Great video explainer: Vint Cerf on ICANN and NTIA
> > >
> > > http://boingboing.net/2014/07/24/great-video-explainer-vint-ce.html
> > >
> > > Simple Overview of ICANN and the IANA Transition by Vint Cerf
> > > <
> http://www.circleid.com/posts/simple_overview_of_icann_and_the_iana_transition_by_vint_cerf_animated/
> >
> > >
> > >
> http://www.circleid.com/posts/simple_overview_of_icann_and_the_iana_transition_by_vint_cerf_animated/
> > >
> > > Regards!!
> > >
> > > Mamadou
> > >
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