Re: _[AfrICANN-discuss]_Fadi_Chehadé:_If_We_Fra gment_The_Internet, _'It_Will_Not_Be_The_Interne =?utf-8?Q?t=5FAs=5FWe=5FKnow=5FIt'=5F?=

Tue Feb 4 10:45:20 SAST 2014

Le Lundi 3 février 2014 19h50, Adiel Akplogan <adiel at afrinic.net> a écrit :
On 2014-02-02, at 14:21 PM, Pierre Lotis NANKEP <lnankep at yahoo.fr> wrote:
> Between the desire / wish / dream and the reality, there is a gap ... a big gap!
>
> NSA in the U.S. and other intelligence services or espionages (Western countries, Chinese, ...) will eventually convince Nations / Sovereign State to have their own Internet.

>>In this very context, I guess you meant to say each county will really start thinking about
>>defining their legal  and policy framework related to privacy and data protection, right? 
This is only a part of the solution...

>>When we are still struggling to managed simple ccTLDs,
This is a matter of mismanagement (Government), it don't means that there is lack of competences. Country ccTLD Registry need to put the right person at the right place...

>>I can hardly see how we can create and manage our own Internet at country level (at least
>>not this generation - because that will be a call for disaster).
*=)) Mort de rire
We don't need to CREATE a new Internet, but to master the current Internet by putting in place virtual boundaries (e-boundary)...

>>Let get real! A tentative to fragment the **internet** in Africa is what is going to completely
>>drag us even more behind as the social and economical impact will be terrible.
What will happen to Africa, it is exactly what will happen to other continents.
In the global configuration today, imagine for a moment that the continents and countries withdraw into themselves ... Who will suffer the most? Certainly not Africa ... It will also be the case with a world with fragmented Internet...

>>As African what we need is to is to really understand the digital era we are getting in,
>>not driven by just government will and wishes but by rather by user's needs. Instead
>>of being just observer of these changes we should get ready to participate with our
>>own interest in mind. We need to continue to fight and defend an Internet that is a
>>vehicle for permission-less innovation and communication for social and economic
>>development of our region  (the permission-less innovation will be key for us).
Yes, agree on the principle... But not sure for the implementation approach.

>>You may want to read this report that also address the economic impact of a
>>fragmented Internet http://www.bcg.com/documents/file100409.pdf
Seen and agree, but what about social and cultural impacts???

> Africa will lose nothing, let's not be alarmist, Africa must understand the issues and adapt itself to survive …

>>Really? how do you know? Which data are you using to make such a bold statement
>>that Africa will loose nothing? from where I'm seating and the use I have for
>>the Internet I know for sure that I personally will lost.
Data are produced or fabricated by people like you and me. Mine are my point of view...
I understand very well that with a fragmented Internet, we will have to rethink ICANN, AfriNIC etc ... And suddenly we can all understand the issues for someone.

> According to their different strategic interests, Nations / Sovereign States will interconnect their Internet (p2p, multilateral peering, etc …)

>>Are you talking about government interests or users interests?
>>Because the difference matter.
I am not talking about governments specially, but Nations or States.
Governments are there to secure the interest of users...

> The wars in Libya, Syria, Egypt, Sudan, CAR, ... reinforce our position with regard to the future of Internet architecture.

>>How?
eg : Countries would have total control on their telecommunication infrastructure

> In addition, political unrest manipulated by the major world powers (eg, Ukraine, Thailand, etc ...) are also drawing our attention to the precautions for the benefit of our peoples.
>>So the solution is to closeup instead of informing?
No No and No,
But fight against disinformation... and remote manipulation.

> We must stop playing activists just to please our former colonial masters …

>>Agree, but at the same time that is where we are failing because when we
>>start being activist for our own cause, we lack rational data, evidence to
>>support of our position. We position ourselves in opposition just to
>>oppose instead of with clear goal and strategy.
We who talk about democracy all the time, humbly accept to receive also different point of view ... We are not here to applaud and distribute "+", "+ +", "+ + +"
Instead of  sending "+", "+ +" or "+ + +", one should write his own point of view.

> Globalization has not only the positive effects …
>>Sure, we need to articulate the negative effects on us and come up with our alternatives.
It is an obvious fact:
- http://www.bbc.co.uk/schools/gcsebitesize/geography/globalisation/globalisation_rev5.shtml
- http://oilprice.com/Finance/the-Economy/12-Negative-Aspects-of-Globalization.html
- ...

-- 
Pierre Lotis NANKEP 

Le Lundi 3 février 2014 19h50, Adiel Akplogan <adiel at afrinic.net> a écrit :

On 2014-02-02, at 14:21 PM, Pierre Lotis NANKEP <lnankep at yahoo.fr> wrote:
> Between the desire / wish / dream and the reality, there is a gap ... a big gap!
> 
> NSA in the U.S. and other intelligence services or espionages (Western countries, Chinese, ...) will eventually convince Nations / Sovereign State to have their own Internet. 

In this very context, I guess you meant to say each county will really start thinking about defining their legal  and policy framework related to privacy and data protection, right?  Wen we are still struggling to managed simple ccTLDs, I can hardly see how we can create and manage our own Internet at country level (at least not this generation - because that will be a call for disaster). Let get real! A tentative to fragment the **internet** in Africa is what is going to completely drag us even more behind as the social and economical impact will be terrible. As African what we need is to is to really understand the digital era we are getting in, not driven by just government will and wishes but by rather by user's needs. Instead of being just observer of these changes we should get ready to participate with our own interest in mind. We need to continue to fight and defend an Internet that is a vehicle for permission-less innovation and communication
 for social and economic development of our region (the permission-less innovation will be key for us).

You may want to read this report that also address the economic impact of a fragmented Internet http://www.bcg.com/documents/file100409.pdf 

> Africa will lose nothing, let's not be alarmist, Africa must understand the issues and adapt itself to survive … 

Really? how do you know? Which data are you using to make such a bold statement that Africa will loose nothing? from where I'm seating and the use I have for the Internet I know for sure that I personally will lost.

> According to their different strategic interests, Nations / Sovereign States will interconnect their Internet (p2p, multilateral peering, etc …)

Are you talking about government interests or users interests? Because the difference matter.

> The wars in Libya, Syria, Egypt, Sudan, CAR, ... reinforce our position with regard to the future of Internet architecture. 

How?

> In addition, political unrest manipulated by the major world powers (eg, Ukraine, Thailand, etc ...) are also drawing our attention to the precautions for the benefit of our peoples. 

So the solution is to closeup instead of informing?

> We must stop playing activists just to please our former colonial masters …

Agree, but at the same time that is where we are failing because when we start being activist for our own cause, we lack rational data, evidence to support of our position. We position ourselves in opposition just to oppose instead of with clear goal and strategy.

> Globalization has not only the positive effects …

Sure, we need to articulate the negative effects on us and come up with our alternatives.

- a.

>  Le Samedi 1 février 2014 8h52, "jolufuye at aficta.org" <jolufuye at aficta.org> a écrit :
> I agree...
> 
> Business in Africa that is gathering momentum will slow down drastically, job opportunities will diminish, youth restiveness will increase; and the much celebrated free flow of information will be a thing of the past.
> 
> We must work to keep the Internet one.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> Jimson Olufuye, fncs, ficma, PhD
> CEO Kontemporary® 
> Chair, AfICTA
> connecting African ICT players & 
> ... fulfilling the promise of the Digital Age for everyone in Africa.
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> Subject: Re:_[AfrICANN-discuss]_Fadi_Chehadé:_If_We_Fra
> gment_The_Internet, _'It_Will_Not_Be_The_Interne
> =?utf-8?Q?t=5FAs=5FWe=5FKnow=5FIt'=5F?=
> From: Nii Narku Quaynor <quaynor at ghana.com>
> Date: Fri, January 31, 2014 7:59 pm
> To: Pierre Lotis NANKEP <lnankep at yahoo.fr>, AfrICANN list
> <africann at afrinic.net>
> Cc: AfrICANN list <africann at afrinic.net>
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> 
> On Jan 31, 2014, at 8:10, Pierre Lotis NANKEP <lnankep at yahoo.fr> wrote:
> 
>> For questions of sovereignty and geostrategy, requirement of a non-fragmented Internet in the future is a utopia.
>> The only possible and justifiable reason for not having a fragmented Internet configuration is within a nation or state ..
>> 
> ...and counties, provinces, federal states and districts within nations as well?
> 
> No. Africa would lose in a fragmented Internet
> 
>>  
>> -- 
>> Pierre Lotis NANKEP 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Le Vendredi 31 janvier 2014 0h07, Victor Ndonnang <ndonnang at nvconsulting.biz> a écrit :
>> No one wants a fragmented Internet…Interesting interview of the ICANN CEO about the importance of keeping the Internet One and Open.
>>  
>> "If we cannot find a way to govern the Internet in an equal footing, in an open transparent way this year, we might descend into a fragmented version of the Internet," Chehadé said. "The moment we fragment the Internet it is possible there will be tariffs between borders, there will be rules... it will not be the internet as we know it."
>>  
>> More on: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/24/fadi-chehade-davos_n_4635949.html?utm_hp_ref=fb&src=sp&comm_ref=false#sb=4156157,b=facebook
>>  
>> Victor Ndonnang.
>> 
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