[AfrICANN-discuss] Management of African ccTLDs: Panne du .td?

Tue Sep 18 22:14:06 SAST 2012

Ack. Is there anything to do to expedite and resolve current situation in view of the information you have? 

On Sep 18, 2012, at 19:05, Mark Elkins <mje at posix.co.za> wrote:

> On Tue, 2012-09-18 at 19:08 +0100, Adamou Nacer wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Le 18/09/2012 16:57, Mark Elkins a écrit :
>> 
>>> I thought that official technical contacts could more or less update the
>>> IANA database in real-time (which is the impression I got from a Kim
>>> Davies presentation a few years ago). 
>> Is this confirmed?
> 
> I e-mailed Kim Davies - who looks after such things. He replied after
> about 15 minutes. (ie - he is reachable and responds quickly).
> 
> I quote from Kim (the answer to my question above):
> 
>    It is not real-time, but the processing is more or less
>    "straight through" if a change request is submitted, passes
>    all of the technical checks, and is consented to by the
>    contacts for the TLD.
> 
> From this, I read that a change should not take days.
> 
> So are the appropriate people from Chad going to attend AfriNIC-17 in
> Sudan (late November) where various training courses and quality
> presentations are freely available along with access to a bunch of
> bright people. Its not AfTLD, but many people there wear multiple hats.
> 
>>> If AfriNIC was running a secondary
>>> on their AnyCast system - this should have stopped the zone disappearing
>>> - but I see even now just the two nameservers (bow.rain.fr. and
>>> bow.intnet.td.)
>> You are at the heart of the problem: new primary servers, AfriNIC +
>> Afnic secondary servers, but the final step was to update the IANA
>> database with information on these new servers. That final step was
>> badly done and resulted in this situation.
>> 
>> Regards
>>> 
>>> Is any other African country in a similarly precarious state? Are you
>>> aware that AfriNIC can host a Secondary Anycast nameserver instance for
>>> you?
>>> 
>>> On Tue, 2012-09-18 at 15:16 +0100, Adamou Nacer wrote:
>>>> Hi Dr Paulos,
>>>> I have spend the whole morning discussing about this issue with the 
>>>> telecommunication regulator's representatives and the manager of the 
>>>> primary nameservers at sotel (national telco).
>>>> So what happens is simple.
>>>> - Sotel was in contract with France Telecom which provided the IP 
>>>> addresses they were using for the .td primary servers.
>>>> - That contract was suddenly stopped and then, France Telecom got back 
>>>> its addresses.
>>>> - In the meantime, the guys managing the .td nameservers installed new 
>>>> nameservers (with Sotel's owned IP addresses from AfriNIC) and were 
>>>> supported by AfriNIC and Afnic which host secondary servers.The IANA's 
>>>> database update process was started but is not completed till now. So 
>>>> the sudden withdrawal of France Telecom's IP addresses combined with the 
>>>> ongoing database update operation resulted in this situation.
>>>> As a summary, the main reason of this is lack of planning.
>>>> 
>>>> Regards
>>>> 
>>>> Le 18/09/2012 11:23, Dr Paulos Nyirenda a écrit :
>>>>> We got a report of this issue at .td at the AFTLD Annual Meeting in Livingstone, Zambia
>>>>> in July 2012 and many of us have attempted to get in touch with .td without much success.
>>>>> 
>>>>> What may also be noted is that it seems that there have been not complaints or reports
>>>>> from within Chad. It hence seems necessary to ask whether this is a problem for the
>>>>> Internet community within Chad. Are there "significantly interested parties" in this
>>>>> issue within Chad?
>>>>> 
>>>>> We have also tried to contact those that seem to have been running the secondary DNS
>>>>> services, not much luck there either - no one replies to the addresses in the SOA, even
>>>>> from servers on .fr - so why were they chosen to run secondary DNS services?
>>>>> 
>>>>> The FOIWG of the ccNSO is discussing what may be interpretted as "substantial
>>>>> misbehaviour" of a ccTLD manager and the conditions that must exist for them to be
>>>>> interpretted as adequate for IANA intervention as stipulated in RFC1591. Are we there yet
>>>>> for this case?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Paulos
>>>>> ======================
>>>>> Dr Paulos B Nyirenda
>>>>> NIC.MW & .mw ccTLD
>>>>> http://www.registrar.mw
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 18 Sep 2012 at 9:21, Adamou Nacer wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Nigel,
>>>>>> Le 17/09/2012 17:03, Nigel Roberts a écrit :
>>>>>>> I don't want to make this sound like a commercial (and there are
>>>>>>> others - also inside Africa - who no doubt can offer to assist as
>>>>>>> well) but just to mention we may be able to help any African ccTLDs
>>>>>>> who maybe need additional resources -- from a simple secondary
>>>>>>> nameserver right through to a complete backend registry.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Happy to be contacted at any time. Off list, probably, best.
>>>>>> In fact the problem is not only technical. I think they have support
>>>>>> from afnic. But you see, that isn't enough. I called a friend of mine
>>>>>> close to that file and he promised to introduce me to SOTEL and OTRT. I
>>>>>> will come back with more information on that issue as soon as possible.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Also, is this mailing list the right place to get assistance on this
>>>>>> kind of issue?
>>>>>> Regards
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