[AfrICANN-discuss] Let's be proactive

Adamou Nacer adamou.nacer at gmail.com
Tue Oct 30 17:09:13 SAST 2012


I feel that this discussion is like a mini babel tower where each one is 
talking about its own thing.
Well, let's wait for the result ;-)
@+

Le 30/10/2012 15:40, Seun Ojedeji a écrit :
> Its amazing how topic of discussion can change....now its on t 
> regulation Vs "other words" perhaps a good preparation for the WCIT ;)
>
> Cheers!
> On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 3:36 PM, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com 
> <mailto:seun.ojedeji at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     ++1
>
>
>     On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 9:56 AM, Vika Mpisane <vika at zadna.org.za
>     <mailto:vika at zadna.org.za>> wrote:
>
>         Now I'm clear what you mean by domain name regulation, Pierre.
>         Yes, domain name dispute regulation is regulation. Likewise,
>         setting Whois parameters through regulation is regulation. My
>         emphasis is that regulation of how domain names are used is
>         quite difficult & almost impractical, if not bordering on
>         censorship. The same thing with regulating IP addresses, which
>         is even more tricky than domain names.
>
>         Vika
>
>         From: Pierre Lotis NANKEP <lnankep at yahoo.fr
>         <mailto:lnankep at yahoo.fr>>
>         Reply-To: Pierre Lotis NANKEP <lnankep at yahoo.fr
>         <mailto:lnankep at yahoo.fr>>
>         Date: Tuesday 30 October 2012 10:40 AM
>         To: "africann at afrinic.net <mailto:africann at afrinic.net>"
>         <africann at afrinic.net <mailto:africann at afrinic.net>>
>         Cc: Vika Mpisane <vika at zadna.org.za <mailto:vika at zadna.org.za>>
>
>         Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Let's be proactive
>
>         It is never too late. What about Whois service (for domain
>         names and IP addresses)? And the policy to be put in place to
>         have a Whois data who is accurate?
>
>         It is regulation or not?
>
>         Domain name dispute is also part of the regulation.
>
>             ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>             *De :* Vika Mpisane <vika at zadna.org.za
>             <mailto:vika at zadna.org.za>>
>             *À :* africann at afrinic.net <mailto:africann at afrinic.net>
>             *Envoyé le :* Mardi 30 octobre 2012 8h33
>             *Objet :* Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Let's be proactive
>
>             +++1 here too.
>
>             Regulating domain names & IP addresses is not something
>             I've ever heard of. I've heard of domain name dispute
>             regulation, which of course only regulates how disputes
>             over a domain name in a particular top level domain (TLD)
>             should be handled & resolved.
>
>
>             From: Ntege Badru <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com
>             <mailto:badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>>
>             Reply-To: <africann at afrinic.net <mailto:africann at afrinic.net>>
>             Date: Tuesday 30 October 2012 8:32 AM
>             To: "<africann at afrinic.net <mailto:africann at afrinic.net>>"
>             <africann at afrinic.net <mailto:africann at afrinic.net>>
>             Cc: "africann at afrinic.net <mailto:africann at afrinic.net>"
>             <africann at afrinic.net <mailto:africann at afrinic.net>>, Dr
>             Eberhard Lisse <el at lisse.NA <mailto:el at lisse.NA>>
>             Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Let's be proactive
>
>             +++1
>
>
>             On 30 Oct 2012, at 07:20, "Nii Narku Quaynor"
>             <quaynor at ghana.com <mailto:quaynor at ghana.com>> wrote:
>
>>             So, exactly what is to be regulated about Internet in a
>>             country ? No answer...
>
>             Country's regulate access...connectivity and
>             infrastructure. (which they are failing miserably). There
>             is a big difference between a nicely written policy
>             document (which I call intent) and actual on the ground
>             implementation (results).
>
>             The collective bottom up process has achieved allot more
>             than any one government has ever achieved for the
>             Internet.  So I'm still puzzled why some on the list still
>             want to take us back to the domain of what I like to call
>             Paralysis Through Analysis (PTA).
>
>             Let's build on the rough consensus platform it has brought
>             us this far we just need to keep perfecting it by wider
>             consultation and knowledge sharing to help others
>             contribute effectively with value from a knowledgable
>             perspective.
>
>>
>>             On Oct 29, 2012, at 23:46, Y Mshana2003
>>             <ymshana2003 at gmail.com <mailto:ymshana2003 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>>             Oga Nii.. You are right but that system belongs to bad
>>>             governance unfortunately and should be revamped since it
>>>             does not apply to Internet-based economy. Im aware of
>>>             Communications Regulations bodies eg WATRA. That applies
>>>             to Mobile and fixed Telecomms but not applicable to
>>>             Internet. Why? Because it froze there since the effort
>>>             to make Laws recognize the location free Internet-based
>>>             economy is not yet in the Books? Attempts have been made
>>>             but it needs another Law to do that. It is like
>>>             establishing Traffic Lights in the Sky?
>>>             I recall this issue of Laws was discussed in 2005 at Mar
>>>             de Plata but did not cross the borders ...why?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>             From Yassin . Sent from samsung mobile. On O2.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>             Nii Narku Quaynor <quaynor at ghana.com
>>>             <mailto:quaynor at ghana.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>             Regulators typically issue licenses, determine number of
>>>             operators, type of operators, set fees, set standards,
>>>             enforce regulations, decide on interconnections,
>>>             etc....which goes well beyond "organize" to more like
>>>             "control"
>>>
>>>             Business development organizations "organize" while
>>>             telecom regulators "control"
>>>
>>>             On Oct 29, 2012, at 22:07, Pierre Lotis NANKEP
>>>             <lnankep at yahoo.fr <mailto:lnankep at yahoo.fr>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>             For me, "regulate" does not mean control. "Regulate" is
>>>>             a bit like "organize".
>>>>             --
>>>>             Pierre Lotis NANKEP
>>>>             IT Engineer / ANTIC
>>>>             Web : http://www.antic.cm <http://www.antic.cm/>
>>>>             Email (Pro) : pierre.nankep at antic.cm
>>>>             <mailto:pierre.nankep at antic.cm>
>>>>             GSM : +237 77 66 10 07 <tel:%2B237%2077%2066%2010%2007>
>>>>             ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>             *De :* Dr Eberhard W Lisse <el at lisse.NA
>>>>             <mailto:el at lisse.NA>>
>>>>             *À :* africann at afrinic.net
>>>>             <mailto:africann at afrinic.net>; Pierre Lotis NANKEP
>>>>             <lnankep at yahoo.fr <mailto:lnankep at yahoo.fr>>
>>>>             *Envoyé le :* Lundi 29 octobre 2012 23h01
>>>>             *Objet :* Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Let's be proactive
>>>>
>>>>             So you can tap communications, censor publications,
>>>>             enrich yourself or your nephew through competitive
>>>>             advantage, and whatnot, for starters.
>>>>
>>>>             But then you were asking rethorically, of course.
>>>>
>>>>             El
>>>>
>>>>             Sent from Dr Lisse's BlackBerry PlayBook
>>>>
>>>>             ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>             *From:* "Nii Narku Quaynor" <quaynor at ghana.com
>>>>             <mailto:quaynor at ghana.com>>
>>>>             *To:* "Pierre Lotis NANKEP" <lnankep at yahoo.fr
>>>>             <mailto:lnankep at yahoo.fr>>, "africann at afrinic.net
>>>>             <mailto:africann at afrinic.net>" <africann at afrinic.net
>>>>             <mailto:africann at afrinic.net>>
>>>>             *Sent:* October 29, 2012 11:17 PM
>>>>             *Subject:* Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Let's be proactive
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>             On Oct 29, 2012, at 20:42, Pierre Lotis NANKEP
>>>>             <lnankep at yahoo.fr <mailto:lnankep at yahoo.fr>> wrote:
>>>>>             Currently, We are working on legislation relating to
>>>>>             Internet Regulation, which will be operational by the
>>>>>             end of this year 2012.
>>>>>
>>>>             Why would want to regulate the Internet whose standards
>>>>             and coordination are global ? (perhaps you mean
>>>>             something else?)
>>>>
>>>>>             Regards
>>>>>
>>>>>             --
>>>>>             Pierre Lotis NANKEP
>>>>>             IT Engineer / ANTIC
>>>>>             Web : http://www.antic.cm <http://www.antic.cm/>
>>>>>             Email (Pro) : pierre.nankep at antic.cm
>>>>>             <mailto:pierre.nankep at antic.cm>
>>>>>             GSM : +237 77 66 10 07
>>>>>             ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>             *De :* Thierry Sanzhie Bokally <sanzhiet at gmail.com
>>>>>             <mailto:sanzhiet at gmail.com>>
>>>>>             *À :* africann at afrinic.net <mailto:africann at afrinic.net>
>>>>>             *Envoyé le :* Lundi 29 octobre 2012 21h17
>>>>>             *Objet :* Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Let's be proactive
>>>>>
>>>>>             Dear,
>>>>>
>>>>>             If the can help the list of african countries with
>>>>>             active national ICT plans :
>>>>>             http://www.oafrica.com/ict-policy/african-nations-with-active-national-ict-plans/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>             Regards
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>             Le 28/10/2012 10:36, Y Mshana2003 a écrit :
>>>>>>             I believe that ICT Policies is the foundation because
>>>>>>             ICANN is not a levitating Organisation. Its
>>>>>>             Constituents are made by individuals from different
>>>>>>             countries. Therefore individuals serving in ICANN
>>>>>>             must have joined the organisation with something from
>>>>>>             home country to contribute!  that "thing" is policy
>>>>>>             in addition to good intention.
>>>>>>             In that case country ICT policy is important to have
>>>>>>             had.  Does each country possess one?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             Cheers
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             Yassin
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             From Yassin . Sent from samsung mobile. On O2.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             Nii Narku Quaynor <quaynor at ghana.com>
>>>>>>             <mailto:quaynor at ghana.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             I thought this list is about ICANN and Internet or is
>>>>>>             it for ICT now?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             On Oct 28, 2012, at 9:33, Y Mshana2003
>>>>>>             <ymshana2003 at gmail.com
>>>>>>             <mailto:ymshana2003 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>             Thank P for this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>             Shall we begin by looking whether each country has
>>>>>>>             an uptodate ICT Policy? If now how can they be
>>>>>>>             encouraged to craft one? I ll be ready to put energy
>>>>>>>             into that. This is especially on policy that
>>>>>>>             encourage Private Sector development for the benefit
>>>>>>>             of its people and the Africa region.
>>>>>>>             Let us take stock since it is more than 10 years now
>>>>>>>             since the need of ICT policies became obvious.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>             Why m I suggesting this? Policy is the foundation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>             Cheers
>>>>>>>             Yassin
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>             From Yassin . Sent from samsung mobile. On O2.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>             Dandjinou Pierre <pdandjinou at gmail.com
>>>>>>>             <mailto:pdandjinou at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>             Colleagues,
>>>>>>>             As you must have noticed, the discussions in the
>>>>>>>             last weeks only turned out to be a ping pong
>>>>>>>             party between 2 or 3 people. Of course, others, be
>>>>>>>             they elders, pioneers, youngsters and babies (!)
>>>>>>>             could not find any interest in the debate..
>>>>>>>             Another Bantu (Aka) proverbs states that 'When you
>>>>>>>             open your mouth in public to address people, make
>>>>>>>             sure you are concise, to the point and not too long!
>>>>>>>             For if you fail to do this, you might make your
>>>>>>>             audience turn away and leave you alone in the circle!!'
>>>>>>>             Thus, may I suggest we just concentrate on a few
>>>>>>>             simple and doable things which make a difference in
>>>>>>>             the development of Africa's Internet ecosystem?
>>>>>>>             May we share those information, documents and facts
>>>>>>>             that are of interest to us all ? May we showcase
>>>>>>>             those successes/and failures which show individual
>>>>>>>             countries are moving ahead in building their own
>>>>>>>             Internet environment?
>>>>>>>             Regards
>>>>>>>             Pierre D.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>             -- 
>>>>>>>             Pierre Dandjinou
>>>>>>>             Cotonou - 229 90 087784 / 66566610
>>>>>>>             Dakar 221 77 639 30 41
>>>>>>>             www.scg.bj <http://www.scg.bj/>
>>>>>>>             skype : sagbo1953
>>>>>>>
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