[AfrICANN-discuss] Let's be proactive
Adamou Nacer
adamou.nacer at gmail.com
Tue Oct 30 17:09:13 SAST 2012
I feel that this discussion is like a mini babel tower where each one is
talking about its own thing.
Well, let's wait for the result ;-)
@+
Le 30/10/2012 15:40, Seun Ojedeji a écrit :
> Its amazing how topic of discussion can change....now its on t
> regulation Vs "other words" perhaps a good preparation for the WCIT ;)
>
> Cheers!
> On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 3:36 PM, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com
> <mailto:seun.ojedeji at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> ++1
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 9:56 AM, Vika Mpisane <vika at zadna.org.za
> <mailto:vika at zadna.org.za>> wrote:
>
> Now I'm clear what you mean by domain name regulation, Pierre.
> Yes, domain name dispute regulation is regulation. Likewise,
> setting Whois parameters through regulation is regulation. My
> emphasis is that regulation of how domain names are used is
> quite difficult & almost impractical, if not bordering on
> censorship. The same thing with regulating IP addresses, which
> is even more tricky than domain names.
>
> Vika
>
> From: Pierre Lotis NANKEP <lnankep at yahoo.fr
> <mailto:lnankep at yahoo.fr>>
> Reply-To: Pierre Lotis NANKEP <lnankep at yahoo.fr
> <mailto:lnankep at yahoo.fr>>
> Date: Tuesday 30 October 2012 10:40 AM
> To: "africann at afrinic.net <mailto:africann at afrinic.net>"
> <africann at afrinic.net <mailto:africann at afrinic.net>>
> Cc: Vika Mpisane <vika at zadna.org.za <mailto:vika at zadna.org.za>>
>
> Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Let's be proactive
>
> It is never too late. What about Whois service (for domain
> names and IP addresses)? And the policy to be put in place to
> have a Whois data who is accurate?
>
> It is regulation or not?
>
> Domain name dispute is also part of the regulation.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *De :* Vika Mpisane <vika at zadna.org.za
> <mailto:vika at zadna.org.za>>
> *À :* africann at afrinic.net <mailto:africann at afrinic.net>
> *Envoyé le :* Mardi 30 octobre 2012 8h33
> *Objet :* Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Let's be proactive
>
> +++1 here too.
>
> Regulating domain names & IP addresses is not something
> I've ever heard of. I've heard of domain name dispute
> regulation, which of course only regulates how disputes
> over a domain name in a particular top level domain (TLD)
> should be handled & resolved.
>
>
> From: Ntege Badru <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com
> <mailto:badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>>
> Reply-To: <africann at afrinic.net <mailto:africann at afrinic.net>>
> Date: Tuesday 30 October 2012 8:32 AM
> To: "<africann at afrinic.net <mailto:africann at afrinic.net>>"
> <africann at afrinic.net <mailto:africann at afrinic.net>>
> Cc: "africann at afrinic.net <mailto:africann at afrinic.net>"
> <africann at afrinic.net <mailto:africann at afrinic.net>>, Dr
> Eberhard Lisse <el at lisse.NA <mailto:el at lisse.NA>>
> Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Let's be proactive
>
> +++1
>
>
> On 30 Oct 2012, at 07:20, "Nii Narku Quaynor"
> <quaynor at ghana.com <mailto:quaynor at ghana.com>> wrote:
>
>> So, exactly what is to be regulated about Internet in a
>> country ? No answer...
>
> Country's regulate access...connectivity and
> infrastructure. (which they are failing miserably). There
> is a big difference between a nicely written policy
> document (which I call intent) and actual on the ground
> implementation (results).
>
> The collective bottom up process has achieved allot more
> than any one government has ever achieved for the
> Internet. So I'm still puzzled why some on the list still
> want to take us back to the domain of what I like to call
> Paralysis Through Analysis (PTA).
>
> Let's build on the rough consensus platform it has brought
> us this far we just need to keep perfecting it by wider
> consultation and knowledge sharing to help others
> contribute effectively with value from a knowledgable
> perspective.
>
>>
>> On Oct 29, 2012, at 23:46, Y Mshana2003
>> <ymshana2003 at gmail.com <mailto:ymshana2003 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>> Oga Nii.. You are right but that system belongs to bad
>>> governance unfortunately and should be revamped since it
>>> does not apply to Internet-based economy. Im aware of
>>> Communications Regulations bodies eg WATRA. That applies
>>> to Mobile and fixed Telecomms but not applicable to
>>> Internet. Why? Because it froze there since the effort
>>> to make Laws recognize the location free Internet-based
>>> economy is not yet in the Books? Attempts have been made
>>> but it needs another Law to do that. It is like
>>> establishing Traffic Lights in the Sky?
>>> I recall this issue of Laws was discussed in 2005 at Mar
>>> de Plata but did not cross the borders ...why?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From Yassin . Sent from samsung mobile. On O2.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Nii Narku Quaynor <quaynor at ghana.com
>>> <mailto:quaynor at ghana.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Regulators typically issue licenses, determine number of
>>> operators, type of operators, set fees, set standards,
>>> enforce regulations, decide on interconnections,
>>> etc....which goes well beyond "organize" to more like
>>> "control"
>>>
>>> Business development organizations "organize" while
>>> telecom regulators "control"
>>>
>>> On Oct 29, 2012, at 22:07, Pierre Lotis NANKEP
>>> <lnankep at yahoo.fr <mailto:lnankep at yahoo.fr>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> For me, "regulate" does not mean control. "Regulate" is
>>>> a bit like "organize".
>>>> --
>>>> Pierre Lotis NANKEP
>>>> IT Engineer / ANTIC
>>>> Web : http://www.antic.cm <http://www.antic.cm/>
>>>> Email (Pro) : pierre.nankep at antic.cm
>>>> <mailto:pierre.nankep at antic.cm>
>>>> GSM : +237 77 66 10 07 <tel:%2B237%2077%2066%2010%2007>
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> *De :* Dr Eberhard W Lisse <el at lisse.NA
>>>> <mailto:el at lisse.NA>>
>>>> *À :* africann at afrinic.net
>>>> <mailto:africann at afrinic.net>; Pierre Lotis NANKEP
>>>> <lnankep at yahoo.fr <mailto:lnankep at yahoo.fr>>
>>>> *Envoyé le :* Lundi 29 octobre 2012 23h01
>>>> *Objet :* Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Let's be proactive
>>>>
>>>> So you can tap communications, censor publications,
>>>> enrich yourself or your nephew through competitive
>>>> advantage, and whatnot, for starters.
>>>>
>>>> But then you were asking rethorically, of course.
>>>>
>>>> El
>>>>
>>>> Sent from Dr Lisse's BlackBerry PlayBook
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> *From:* "Nii Narku Quaynor" <quaynor at ghana.com
>>>> <mailto:quaynor at ghana.com>>
>>>> *To:* "Pierre Lotis NANKEP" <lnankep at yahoo.fr
>>>> <mailto:lnankep at yahoo.fr>>, "africann at afrinic.net
>>>> <mailto:africann at afrinic.net>" <africann at afrinic.net
>>>> <mailto:africann at afrinic.net>>
>>>> *Sent:* October 29, 2012 11:17 PM
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Let's be proactive
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 29, 2012, at 20:42, Pierre Lotis NANKEP
>>>> <lnankep at yahoo.fr <mailto:lnankep at yahoo.fr>> wrote:
>>>>> Currently, We are working on legislation relating to
>>>>> Internet Regulation, which will be operational by the
>>>>> end of this year 2012.
>>>>>
>>>> Why would want to regulate the Internet whose standards
>>>> and coordination are global ? (perhaps you mean
>>>> something else?)
>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Pierre Lotis NANKEP
>>>>> IT Engineer / ANTIC
>>>>> Web : http://www.antic.cm <http://www.antic.cm/>
>>>>> Email (Pro) : pierre.nankep at antic.cm
>>>>> <mailto:pierre.nankep at antic.cm>
>>>>> GSM : +237 77 66 10 07
>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> *De :* Thierry Sanzhie Bokally <sanzhiet at gmail.com
>>>>> <mailto:sanzhiet at gmail.com>>
>>>>> *À :* africann at afrinic.net <mailto:africann at afrinic.net>
>>>>> *Envoyé le :* Lundi 29 octobre 2012 21h17
>>>>> *Objet :* Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Let's be proactive
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear,
>>>>>
>>>>> If the can help the list of african countries with
>>>>> active national ICT plans :
>>>>> http://www.oafrica.com/ict-policy/african-nations-with-active-national-ict-plans/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Le 28/10/2012 10:36, Y Mshana2003 a écrit :
>>>>>> I believe that ICT Policies is the foundation because
>>>>>> ICANN is not a levitating Organisation. Its
>>>>>> Constituents are made by individuals from different
>>>>>> countries. Therefore individuals serving in ICANN
>>>>>> must have joined the organisation with something from
>>>>>> home country to contribute! that "thing" is policy
>>>>>> in addition to good intention.
>>>>>> In that case country ICT policy is important to have
>>>>>> had. Does each country possess one?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yassin
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From Yassin . Sent from samsung mobile. On O2.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nii Narku Quaynor <quaynor at ghana.com>
>>>>>> <mailto:quaynor at ghana.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I thought this list is about ICANN and Internet or is
>>>>>> it for ICT now?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Oct 28, 2012, at 9:33, Y Mshana2003
>>>>>> <ymshana2003 at gmail.com
>>>>>> <mailto:ymshana2003 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank P for this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Shall we begin by looking whether each country has
>>>>>>> an uptodate ICT Policy? If now how can they be
>>>>>>> encouraged to craft one? I ll be ready to put energy
>>>>>>> into that. This is especially on policy that
>>>>>>> encourage Private Sector development for the benefit
>>>>>>> of its people and the Africa region.
>>>>>>> Let us take stock since it is more than 10 years now
>>>>>>> since the need of ICT policies became obvious.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why m I suggesting this? Policy is the foundation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>> Yassin
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From Yassin . Sent from samsung mobile. On O2.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dandjinou Pierre <pdandjinou at gmail.com
>>>>>>> <mailto:pdandjinou at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Colleagues,
>>>>>>> As you must have noticed, the discussions in the
>>>>>>> last weeks only turned out to be a ping pong
>>>>>>> party between 2 or 3 people. Of course, others, be
>>>>>>> they elders, pioneers, youngsters and babies (!)
>>>>>>> could not find any interest in the debate..
>>>>>>> Another Bantu (Aka) proverbs states that 'When you
>>>>>>> open your mouth in public to address people, make
>>>>>>> sure you are concise, to the point and not too long!
>>>>>>> For if you fail to do this, you might make your
>>>>>>> audience turn away and leave you alone in the circle!!'
>>>>>>> Thus, may I suggest we just concentrate on a few
>>>>>>> simple and doable things which make a difference in
>>>>>>> the development of Africa's Internet ecosystem?
>>>>>>> May we share those information, documents and facts
>>>>>>> that are of interest to us all ? May we showcase
>>>>>>> those successes/and failures which show individual
>>>>>>> countries are moving ahead in building their own
>>>>>>> Internet environment?
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>> Pierre D.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
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>>>>>>> Cotonou - 229 90 087784 / 66566610
>>>>>>> Dakar 221 77 639 30 41
>>>>>>> www.scg.bj <http://www.scg.bj/>
>>>>>>> skype : sagbo1953
>>>>>>>
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