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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">I feel that this discussion is like a
mini babel tower where each one is talking about its own thing.<br>
Well, let's wait for the result ;-)<br>
@+<br>
<br>
Le 30/10/2012 15:40, Seun Ojedeji a écrit :<br>
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<blockquote
cite="mid:CAD_dc6gLLarA8+NRDxBz8pdq4KjV68c=odJFm-ZV5-MY257rig@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">Its amazing how topic of discussion can change....now
its on t regulation Vs "other words" perhaps a good preparation
for the WCIT ;)<br>
<br>
Cheers!<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 3:36 PM, Seun
Ojedeji <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com" target="_blank">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
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<div class="HOEnZb">
<div class="h5"><br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 9:56 AM,
Vika Mpisane <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:vika@zadna.org.za" target="_blank">vika@zadna.org.za</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span>Now
I'm clear what you mean by domain name
regulation, Pierre. Yes, domain name dispute
regulation is regulation. </span>Likewise,
setting Whois parameters through regulation is
regulation.<span> My emphasis is that
regulation of how domain names are used is
quite difficult & almost impractical, if
not bordering on censorship. The same thing
with regulating IP addresses, which is even
more tricky than domain names.</span></div>
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<div>Vika</div>
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<div><span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span>
Pierre Lotis NANKEP <<a
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href="mailto:lnankep@yahoo.fr"
target="_blank">lnankep@yahoo.fr</a>><br>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Reply-To: </span>
Pierre Lotis NANKEP <<a
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>
Tuesday 30 October 2012 10:40 AM<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span> "<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net"
target="_blank">africann@afrinic.net</a>" <<a
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href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net"
target="_blank">africann@afrinic.net</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Cc: </span> Vika
Mpisane <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:vika@zadna.org.za"
target="_blank">vika@zadna.org.za</a>>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>
Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Let's be proactive<br>
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<div><span><font
face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:19px">It is
never too late. What about Whois
service (for domain names and IP
addresses)? And the policy to be
put in place to have a Whois
data who is accurate?</span></font><br>
</span></div>
<div
style="font-style:normal;font-size:19px;background-color:transparent;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span><font
face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:19px"><br>
</span></font></span></div>
<div
style="font-style:normal;font-size:19px;background-color:transparent;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span><font
face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:19px;font-weight:bold">It is regulation or not?</span></font></span></div>
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style="font-style:normal;font-size:19px;background-color:transparent;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span><font
face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:19px"><br>
</span></font></span></div>
<div
style="background-color:transparent">
<span><font
face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span><span
style="font-size:19px">Domain
name dispute is also part of
the regulation.</span></span></font></span></div>
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style="font-style:normal;font-size:19px;background-color:transparent;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br>
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<hr size="1"> <b><span
style="font-weight:bold">De :</span></b>
Vika Mpisane <<a
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href="mailto:vika@zadna.org.za"
target="_blank">vika@zadna.org.za</a>><br>
<b><span
style="font-weight:bold">À :</span></b>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net"
target="_blank">africann@afrinic.net</a>
<br>
<b><span
style="font-weight:bold">Envoyé
le :</span></b> Mardi 30
octobre 2012 8h33<br>
<b><span
style="font-weight:bold">Objet :</span></b>
Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Let's
be proactive<br>
</font> </div>
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<div>
<div
style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">+++1
here too. </div>
<div
style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><br>
</div>
<div
style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Regulating
domain names & IP
addresses is not
something I've ever
heard of. I've heard
of domain name dispute
regulation, which of
course only regulates
how disputes over a
domain name in a
particular top level
domain (TLD) should be
handled &
resolved.</div>
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style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><br>
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style="font-weight:bold">From: </span> Ntege Badru <<a
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rel="nofollow"
href="mailto:badru.ntege@nftconsult.com"
target="_blank">badru.ntege@nftconsult.com</a>><br>
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<span
style="font-weight:bold">Date:
</span> Tuesday 30
October 2012 8:32 AM<br>
<span
style="font-weight:bold">To:
</span> "<<a
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rel="nofollow"
href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net"
target="_blank">africann@afrinic.net</a>>"
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target="_blank">africann@afrinic.net</a>><br>
<span
style="font-weight:bold">Cc:
</span> "<a
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rel="nofollow"
href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net"
target="_blank">africann@afrinic.net</a>"
<<a
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rel="nofollow"
href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net"
target="_blank">africann@afrinic.net</a>>,
Dr Eberhard Lisse <<a
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<span
style="font-weight:bold">Subject:
</span> Re:
[AfrICANN-discuss] Let's
be proactive<br>
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<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>+++1<br>
<div><span><br>
</span></div>
</div>
<div><br>
On 30 Oct 2012, at
07:20, "Nii Narku
Quaynor" <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="nofollow"
href="mailto:quaynor@ghana.com"
target="_blank">quaynor@ghana.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
<br>
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<blockquote
type="cite">
<div>
<div>So, exactly
what is to be
regulated about
Internet in a
country ? No
answer...<br>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Country's
regulate
access...connectivity
and infrastructure.
(which they are
failing miserably).
There is a big
difference between a
nicely written
policy document
(which I call
intent) and actual
on the ground
implementation
(results).</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The collective
bottom up process
has achieved allot
more than any one
government has ever
achieved for the
Internet. So I'm
still puzzled why
some on the list
still want to take
us back to the
domain of what I
like to call
Paralysis Through
Analysis (PTA). </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Let's build on
the rough consensus
platform it has
brought us this far
we just need to keep
perfecting it by
wider consultation
and knowledge
sharing to help
others contribute
effectively with
value from a
knowledgable
perspective.</div>
<br>
<blockquote
type="cite">
<div>
<div><br>
On Oct 29, 2012,
at 23:46, Y
Mshana2003 <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" rel="nofollow"
href="mailto:ymshana2003@gmail.com"
target="_blank">ymshana2003@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
</div>
<blockquote
type="cite">
<div>Oga Nii..
You are right
but that
system belongs
to bad
governance
unfortunately
and should be
revamped since
it does not
apply to
Internet-based
economy. Im
aware of
Communications
Regulations
bodies eg
WATRA. That
applies to
Mobile and
fixed
Telecomms but
not applicable
to Internet.
Why? Because
it froze there
since the
effort to make
Laws recognize
the location
free
Internet-based
economy is not
yet in the
Books?
Attempts have
been made but
it needs
another Law to
do that. It is
like
establishing
Traffic Lights
in the Sky?
<div>
I recall this
issue of Laws
was discussed
in 2005 at Mar
de Plata but
did not cross
the borders
...why?</div>
<div><br>
<div><br>
<br>
<font>From
Yassin . Sent
from samsung
mobile. On O2.</font>
</div>
</div>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Nii Narku
Quaynor <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" rel="nofollow" href="mailto:quaynor@ghana.com"
target="_blank">quaynor@ghana.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
<br>
<br>
<div>Regulators
typically
issue
licenses,
determine
number of
operators,
type of
operators, set
fees, set
standards,
enforce
regulations,
decide on
interconnections,
etc....which
goes well
beyond
"organize" to
more like
"control"<br>
<br>
Business
development
organizations
"organize"
while telecom
regulators
"control"</div>
<div><br>
On Oct 29,
2012, at
22:07, Pierre
Lotis NANKEP
<<a
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rel="nofollow"
href="mailto:lnankep@yahoo.fr" target="_blank">lnankep@yahoo.fr</a>>
wrote:<br>
<br>
</div>
<blockquote
type="cite">
<div>
<div
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">
<div><span
lang="en"><span>For
me,</span> <span>"regulate"</span>
<span>does not
mean</span> <span>control.</span>
<span>"</span><span>Regulate</span><span>"
is</span> <span>a
bit like</span>
<span>"organize"</span><span>.</span></span></div>
<div> </div>
<div>--<br>
Pierre Lotis
NANKEP<br>
IT Engineer /
ANTIC<br>
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<hr size="1">
<b><span
style="font-weight:bold">De :</span></b>
Dr Eberhard W
Lisse <<a
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rel="nofollow"
href="mailto:el@lisse.NA" target="_blank">el@lisse.NA</a>><br>
<b><span
style="font-weight:bold">À :</span></b>
<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="nofollow"
href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net" target="_blank">africann@afrinic.net</a>;
Pierre Lotis
NANKEP <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" rel="nofollow" href="mailto:lnankep@yahoo.fr"
target="_blank">lnankep@yahoo.fr</a>>
<br>
<b><span
style="font-weight:bold">Envoyé
le :</span></b>
Lundi 29
octobre 2012
23h01<br>
<b><span
style="font-weight:bold">Objet :</span></b>
Re:
[AfrICANN-discuss]
Let's be
proactive<br>
</font> </div>
<br>
<div>
<div>
So you can tap
communications,
censor
publications,
enrich
yourself or
your nephew
through
competitive
advantage, and
whatnot, for
starters.
<div><br>
<div>But then
you were
asking
rethorically,
of course.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>El<br>
<br>
<div>Sent from
Dr Lisse's
BlackBerry
PlayBook</div>
<br>
<hr>
<div><b>From:</b>
"Nii Narku
Quaynor" <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" rel="nofollow" href="mailto:quaynor@ghana.com"
target="_blank">quaynor@ghana.com</a>><br>
<b>To:</b>
"Pierre Lotis
NANKEP" <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" rel="nofollow" href="mailto:lnankep@yahoo.fr"
target="_blank">lnankep@yahoo.fr</a>>,
"<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="nofollow"
href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net" target="_blank">africann@afrinic.net</a>"
<<a
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<b>Sent:</b>
October 29,
2012 11:17 PM<br>
<b>Subject:</b>
Re:
[AfrICANN-discuss]
Let's be
proactive<br>
</div>
<br>
<div><br>
<br>
On Oct 29,
2012, at
20:42, Pierre
Lotis NANKEP
<<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="nofollow"
href="mailto:lnankep@yahoo.fr" target="_blank">lnankep@yahoo.fr</a>>
wrote:</div>
<blockquote
type="cite">
<div>
<div><font
face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:12pt">Currently, We are working on legislation relating
to </span></font><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-weight:bold;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Internet
Regulation</span><font
face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt">, which
will be
operational by
the end of
this year
2012.</span></font><br>
<br>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
Why would want
to regulate
the Internet
whose
standards and
coordination
are global ?
(perhaps you
mean something
else?)
<div><br>
<blockquote
type="cite">
<div>
<div><font
face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span
style="font-size:12pt">Regards</span></font><br>
<div
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span><br>
</span></div>
<div
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> </div>
<div
style="font-size:12pt;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">
--<br>
Pierre Lotis
NANKEP<br>
IT Engineer /
ANTIC<br>
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<b><span
style="font-weight:bold">De :</span></b>
Thierry
Sanzhie
Bokally <<a
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target="_blank">sanzhiet@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b><span
style="font-weight:bold">À :</span></b>
<a
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rel="nofollow"
href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net" target="_blank">africann@afrinic.net</a>
<br>
<b><span
style="font-weight:bold">Envoyé
le :</span></b>
Lundi 29
octobre 2012
21h17<br>
<b><span
style="font-weight:bold">Objet :</span></b>
Re:
[AfrICANN-discuss]
Let's be
proactive<br>
</font> </div>
<br>
<div>
<div>
<div>Dear, <br>
<br>
If the can
help the list
of african
countries with
active
national ICT
plans : <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="nofollow"
href="http://www.oafrica.com/ict-policy/african-nations-with-active-national-ict-plans/"
target="_blank">http://www.oafrica.com/ict-policy/african-nations-with-active-national-ict-plans/</a>
<br>
<br>
Regards<br>
<br>
<br>
Le 28/10/2012
10:36, Y
Mshana2003 a
écrit :<br>
</div>
<blockquote
type="cite"> I
believe that
ICT Policies
is the
foundation
because ICANN
is not a
levitating
Organisation.
Its
Constituents
are made by
individuals
from different
countries.
Therefore
individuals
serving in
ICANN must
have joined
the
organisation
with something
from home
country to
contribute!
that "thing"
is policy in
addition to
good
intention.
<div>In that
case country
ICT policy is
important to
have had.
Does each
country
possess one?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Cheers</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Yassin<br>
<div><br>
<br>
<br>
<font>From
Yassin . Sent
from samsung
mobile. On O2.</font>
</div>
</div>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Nii Narku
Quaynor <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="nofollow"
href="mailto:quaynor@ghana.com" target="_blank"><quaynor@ghana.com></a>
wrote:<br>
<br>
<br>
<div>I thought
this list is
about ICANN
and Internet
or is it for
ICT now? <br>
<br>
On Oct 28,
2012, at 9:33,
Y Mshana2003
<<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
rel="nofollow"
href="mailto:ymshana2003@gmail.com" target="_blank">ymshana2003@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
<br>
</div>
<blockquote
type="cite">
<div>Thank P
for this.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Shall we
begin by
looking
whether each
country has an
uptodate ICT
Policy? If now
how can they
be encouraged
to craft one?
I ll be ready
to put energy
into that.
This is
especially on
policy that
encourage
Private Sector
development
for the
benefit of its
people and the
Africa region.</div>
<div>Let us
take stock
since it is
more than 10
years now
since the need
of ICT
policies
became
obvious.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Why m I
suggesting
this? Policy
is the
foundation.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Cheers</div>
<div>Yassin</div>
<div>
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<div>Colleagues,</div>
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<div>As you
must have
noticed, the
discussions in
the last weeks
only turned
out to be a
ping pong
party between
2 or 3 people.
Of course,
others, be
they elders,
pioneers,
youngsters and
babies (!)
could not find
any interest
in the
debate..</div>
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<div>Another
Bantu (Aka)
proverbs
states that
'When you open
your mouth in
public to
address
people, make
sure you are
concise, to
the point and
not too long!
For if you
fail to do
this, you
might make
your
audience turn
away and leave
you alone in
the circle!!'</div>
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<div>Thus, may
I suggest we
just
concentrate on
a few simple
and doable
things which
make a
difference in
the
development of
Africa's
Internet
ecosystem?</div>
<div> </div>
<div>May we
share those information,
documents and
facts that are
of interest
to us all ?
May we
showcase those
successes/and
failures
which show
individual
countries are
moving ahead
in building
their own
Internet
environment?</div>
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<div>Regards</div>
<div>Pierre
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