[AfrICANN-discuss] Questionnaires on Icann's Africa Strategic plan
Gideon
gideonrop at gmail.com
Wed Jul 25 16:02:56 SAST 2012
Salute my Brethren ,
All that we are doing now is trying to save water that is already under the
bridge, Had the information been freely and equally distributed we wouldn't
be discussing this issue back and forth.
It's a good thing to want to present the African Collective voice to ICANN
, one as a continent and two and most important, the key players and the
emerging market in the domain industry.
The problem however unfortunately comes from the very beginning of this
attempt, naturally you would expect a "Working Group" to actually be a
group that is all inclusive and is representative, in this case though,
admittedly, there was no announcement requiring the African delegates at
the conference to contribute on a a synergy.
It's too late to continue to give African stakeholders apologies of the
flaw in Communication and important nominations on behalf of Africans are
done. I believe this is not the first time we see a secluded grouping it
happened in Senegal as well, the apologies however profusely given do not
eliminate the fact that there is a nexus of insiders.
DotConnectAfrica who is a key player in these matters was never invited or
reached out to be included in the process. I have only seen this invite for
the first in this list. Again even if the minutes were distributed, why is
it that it didn't reach out to all the stakeholders or is it that other
delegates were more equal than others and to make it worse, we do not know
how transparent our views will be represented, given the kind of animosity
that has for long existed in the continental gTLD process, I would fear for
another opportunity to openly close others out, who vets what comes in and
on what qualifications are the findings admissible or dispensable?
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Again would they be based on friendly or unfriendly based on the source?
Until these questions are clarified to us, I don't see the way forward.
Transparency is a key factor we have unfortunately not very much inculcated
in the inclusivity that we are trying to achieve here. So until we have
truly included the real owners of the entity i.e. African netizens , then
am sorry this will pass as another attempt to hijack multistakeholderism.
Therefore I lend my voice to those who feel the same and object to the
process of self-nomination.
Thanks.
Gideon Rop
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> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 21:45:12 +0900
> From: Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Re: AfrICANN Digest, Vol 65, Issue 50
> To: "africann at afrinic.net" <africann at afrinic.net>
> Cc: Dandjinou Pierre <pdandjinou at gmail.com>, AfrICANN-44 Participant
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> Hello everyone,
>
> First to those who seized the opportunity and volunteered and I find that
> is healthy to have remarks and feedback about the process followed. It is
> good that we have more information and details, thanks for sharing.
>
> Ad hoc work or group is good to act quickly and for starting, but it has
> many flaws and it is workaround or temporary solution which should led to
> more sustained and open approach. In addition, showing solidarity doesn't
> mean preventing people from expressing contradictory opinions, consensus is
> built through discussion and workin toward common ground and understanding
> not by imposing ideas or dismissing comments.
>
> Saying that, I think we should start defining some principles or rules of
> engagement for future initiatives involving our community:
> - having in mind balance and representation regarding all stakeholders
> (gov, ccTLD, private sector, users, civils society, academics etc) and
> regions, our continent has more than 50 countries ! That also raise the
> needs to bring more people from Africa but that is another story.
> - communicating with the community in public space like this mailing list
> and other fora and call for volunteers till setting a more permanent
> structure
> - discussions and documents should be public for openness and transparency
> .
>
> that doesn't prevent people from initiating ad hoc working groups and
> involving the community later, those principles soul give some guidance and
> avoid misunderstanding . We should have in mind that representation of all
> stakeholders and diversity is critical.
>
> For more substance, I think that ICANN should start more proper public
> consultation and not throwing the hot potatoes to volunteers. It was
> somehow mistake form CEO but it is ok, we have opportunity and let's see if
> some changes will happen and we will let Icann accountable .
>
> I would like to suggest that we share more information prior to and during
> Icann meetings, I didn't hear about that ad hoc session , it is sad.but
> let's think about Toronto meeting, looks we have some homework.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
> Le mercredi 25 juillet 2012, Bope Domilongo Christian a écrit :
>
> > Dear
> >
> > This is my first time to add my voice to other , i support Badru
> > proposition , we have to work as a team ''one Team , One Goal '' to
> reach
> > our target to avoid wasting time to turn around without solution or clear
> > proposition.
> >
> > Best Regards
> > Chrsitian Bope
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 11:55 AM, Badru Ntege <
> badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>wrote:
> >
> > Yassin
> >
> > Though I get your point we also have to be aware that the world will not
> > sit around and wait for us Africans to get our act together making sure
> > that everyone is consulted. The use of technology and the array of
> > discussion lists around means that there is wide indirect consultation.
> > The fact that we are discussing your concerns on a list viewed by
> > thousands is testament to that fact.
> >
> > We need to embrace the means we have and also be proactive. The members
> > at ICANN 44 were proactive and seized the opportunity. They then used
> the
> > means necessary to align the opportunity by widening the ad-hoc team
> > membership and now seeking community input which is a journey to
> > normalisation.
> >
> > We are in a process so I think we need to be appreciative to those who
> > seize the opportunity and then be supportive in guiding them through
> > dialogue to achieve a win-win solution.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Badru Ntege
> > CEO
> > NFT Consult Ltd
> > Www.Nftconsult.com
> >
> > "Vision without execution is hallucination."
> > -- Thomas A. Edison
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 25 Jul 2012, at 01:17, Y Mshana2003 <ymshana2003 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hii..
> > Thank you for the explanation which made it clear that not all the
> > information is shared widely before, during, and after any Africans
> > Meetings?!! That is against the guidelines... There was no reason to rush
> > in response to CEO's directive the way it was done.... There were time to
> > flash an email to request for Inputs then... I wonder why that was not
> > done? Was this shared within participants? The list of participants is
> > available...
> >
> > What made me raise all this is a simple fact that, what are we doing if
> > such important information could not be shared in Good time when ICANN
> mtg
> > was going on?
> > If it was not possible then, will mobile phone survey work?
> > My suggestion would be to inform the ICANN CEO that a proper consultation
> > need to be made and report at appropriate time - could be after Toronto
> mtg
> > since the process takes time (and the WG was self selected as it is
> obvious
> > now therefore the information would not represent opinions from all
> > Africans concerned)
> >
> > Will that email to the CEO made public please? Thank you.
> > The meaning for all this is to paint the true picture of our
> participation
> > and representation at ICANN mtgs and to absolve our interactions with
> ICANN
> > from political organisations.
> > That is all I have for now on this issue.
> > Kind regards
> > Yassin(always for Africa!)
> >
> > From Yassin . Sent from samsung mobile. On O2.
> >
> >
> >
> > Dandjinou Pierre <pdandjinou at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Dear Yassin, Baudouin and Barrack!
> >
> > Thanks for the feedback on the questionnaires. Your different points
> > suggest there is a flaw in the way we communicate within this African
> Icann
> > community! If the minutes of the African meetings in Prague were
> circulated
> > on the different lists, you probably would have noticed there is no
> > exclusion whatesoever,nor any highjacking on representing Africa.
> >
> > I then hope the organizers of the 'African meetings at ICANN 44 in Prague
> > will provide minutes and other detailed information.Btw, a special list
> was
> > set up during the conference and I am copying this to it..
> >
> > I can only state that African participants to Icann were invited to a
> > meeting with Icann Board and the incoming CEO. Those who could make it to
> > the meeting did it, and were informed by the new CEO that he is keen to
> > assist, and that an Africa specific strategy was needed by Next Icann
> > meeting in Toronto in October. Participants then resolved to form a
> working
> > group and three people were unanimously nominated..Tarek, Nii and
> > myself..Then considerations on gender balance as well as regional
> > representation were floated..with the addition of Maimouna Diop and
> Palesa
> > Legoze..and still waiting for regional representatives to join..
> >
> > Best Regards
> > Christian Bope Domilongo
> > Gtalk : christianbope at gmail.com <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
> > 'christianbope at gmail.com');>
> > Msn : christianbope at hotmail.com <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
> > 'christianbope at hotmail.com');>
> > Skype : christian.bope
> > Phone : +243993005258
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Rafik Dammak
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> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 16:13:05 +0300
> From: Holy Kamuzora <hkamuzora at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Fwd: [AfrICANN-44] Africa Strategic
> plan
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> An impressive initiative i should say. Congratulations to all.
>
> Suggestion to The formed committee which i believe is to spear head "The
> strategy for Africa". For Africa to actively participate in ICANN, i think
> / believe the first step is for them to be made aware of what it is. Now
> coming to this i believe many aware are (some) people in the IT/ICT world
> so in devising the strategy please make a mechanism which can also push for
> others to be aware/ to know the effect and i believe this will urge them to
> actively participate.
>
> Regards,
> Holy.
>
> On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 2:42 PM, Dandjinou Pierre <pdandjinou at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > All,
> > For your information,these minutes were prepared and circulated on the
> > AfrICANN 44 list by Makane Faye at the end of the meeting with ICANN
> Board
> >
> > The subsequent threads below provide further details .
> >
> > I am sharing them here for further clarification and hope we Shall now
> > move on and collectively deliver
> >
> > Regards
> > Pierre
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: Makane Faye <mfaye at uneca.org>
> > Date: Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 7:11 AM
> > Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-44] Africa Strategic plan
> > To: Mary Uduma <mnuduma at yahoo.com>, AfrICANN-44 Participant List <
> > africann-44 at afrinic.net>
> > Cc: "africa at gac.icann.org" <africa at gac.icann.org>, "
> > afgwg-discuss at afrinic.net" <afgwg-discuss at afrinic.net>, Steve Crocker <
> > steve at shinkuro.com>, Makane Faye <faymakane at gmail.com>, Jamie Hedlund <
> > jamie.hedlund at icann.org>
> >
> >
> > Dear Manal, Mary, Moktar and other Colleagues,
> >
> > I wish to congratulate Alice for proposing a bottom up approach, which
> > should be adopted by the IGFs which have not yet started their process.
> In
> > this connection, I would like to echoe Moktar's proposal to strengthen
> the
> > Committee which was established yesterday to depart from a Committee of 4
> > to a Committee of 7 taking into account representatives from the
> remaining
> > 3 regions.
> >
> > In this regard, I propose that Ms Palesa Legose of the Department of
> > Communication in South Africa which is the Vice-Chair of the African
> > Ministerial ICT Conference represents the Southern African sub-region.
> >
> > East African stakeholders are requested to consult among themselves and
> > propose 1 member to the Committee; the Central African Group is also
> > required to follow the same process.
> >
> > I believe if we have Palesa and one representative each from East and
> > Central Africa, the list of Committee members could be closed. May I take
> > this opportunity to submit the minutes of yesterday's meeting.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> >
> > Mary Uduma <mnuduma at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Dear All,
> >> I wish to join in thanking Steve and his team for the productive meeting
> >> held today. The AF Community in ICANN has been encouraged by your show
> of
> >> support and commitment towards the different topics discussed today.
> Thank
> >> you so much. We look forward to working with the Board in actualissing
> the
> >> resolutions reached.
> >>
> >> Alice, the East Africa IGF is a good starting point. I have taken a
> cue
> >> from you to suggest to the coordinator of West Africa IGF to include
> such
> >> discussions at the forthcoming WAIGF in Sierra Leone 2 - 4 July. I have
> >> received a positive response urging me to be present for the discussion.
> >>
> >> I wish to encourage AF community from West Africa to endeavor to attend
> >> the WAIGF meeting and make contributions to enrich the discussion.
> Check
> >> out www,waigf.org to register.
> >>
> >> ICANN is a strong partner of the event, and we shall not miss the
> >> opportunity to reach out to our people. I hope ICANN is sending a strong
> >> representation to the meeting.
> >>
> >> Mary.
> >> .ng
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >> *From:* "alice at apc.org" <alice at apc.org>
> >> *To:* africa at gac.icann.org; afgwg-discuss at afrinic.net;
> >> africann-44 at afrinic.net; africa at gac.icann.org; Jamie Hedlund <
> >> jamie.hedlund at icann.org>
> >> *Cc:* Steve Crocker <steve at shinkuro.com>
> >> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 27, 2012 5:02 PM
> >>
> >> *Subject:* [AfrICANN-44] Africa Strategic plan
> >>
> >> Dear Colleagues,
> >>
> >> We wish to thank Steve and other members of the board for making the
> time
> >> to meet with African stakeholders this morning. It was a very productive
> >> meeting.
> >>
> >> We want to take this opportunity to again welcome the new CEO Fadi
> >> Chehadé and are grateful for your strong support and look forward to
> >> working with you to increase Africa's participation and contribution to
> >> ICANN.
> >>
> >> We wish to inform you that the East Africa region plans to hold the
> >> regional IGF, the East Africa IGF in July 17 and 18th and before then
> each
> >> EA country will hold their own national IGF. The Kenya one will take
> place
> >> on 6th July in Nairobi.
> >>
> >> As you will note from the programme (www.eaigf.or.ke) we have a
> session
> >> during the EAIGF that speaks to our engagement with ICANN by way of
> >> introduction of what ICANN is, what it does and on new gTLDs.
> >>
> >> We intend to begin discussions on the proposed Africa strategic plan
> >> during this meeting to ensure that we have multi-stakeholder
> consultation
> >> on identifying the current challenges, proposing possible solutions and
> >> exploring how we wish to participate and contribute to the ICANN
> process.
> >>
> >> We look forward to sharing the outcome of the forum with you all. We
> hope
> >> that the inputs will form a part of the ICANN's Strategic plan under
> >> development.
> >>
> >> Thank you and kind regards
> >>
> >> Alice Munyua
> >> Kenya
> >>
> >>
> >>
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