<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify;line-height:normal"><span style>Salute my Brethren ,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify;line-height:normal"><span style> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify;line-height:normal"><span style>All that we are doing now is trying to save water that is
already under the bridge, Had the information been freely and equally
distributed we wouldn’t be discussing this issue back and forth.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify;line-height:normal"><span style> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify;line-height:normal"><span style>It’s a good thing to want to present the African
Collective voice to ICANN , one as a continent and two and most important, the
key players and the emerging market in the domain industry.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify;line-height:normal"><span style> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify;line-height:normal"><span style>The problem however unfortunately comes from the very
beginning of this attempt, naturally you would expect a “Working Group” to
actually be a group that is all inclusive and is representative, in this case
though, admittedly, there was no announcement requiring the African
delegates at the conference to contribute on a a synergy.<br>
<br>
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify;line-height:normal"><span style>It’s too late to continue to give African stakeholders
apologies of the flaw in Communication and important nominations on behalf of
Africans are done. I believe this is not the first time we see a secluded
grouping it happened in Senegal as well, the apologies however profusely given
do not eliminate the fact that there is a nexus of insiders.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify;line-height:normal"><span style> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify;line-height:normal"><span style>DotConnectAfrica who is a key player in these matters was
never invited or reached out to be included in the process. I have only seen
this invite for the first in this list. Again even if the minutes were
distributed, why is it that it didn’t reach out to all the stakeholders or is
it that other delegates were more equal than others and to make it worse, we do
not know how transparent our views will be represented, given the kind of
animosity that has for long existed in the continental gTLD process, I would
fear for another opportunity to openly close others out, who vets what comes in
and on what qualifications are the findings admissible or dispensable? <br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify;line-height:normal"><span style><br></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify;line-height:normal"><span style><img src="" alt="https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/images/cleardot.gif" height="1" width="1"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify;line-height:normal"><span style>Again would they be based on friendly or unfriendly based
on the source?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify;line-height:normal"><span style> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify;line-height:normal"><span style>Until these questions are clarified to us, I don’t see
the way forward. Transparency is a key factor we have unfortunately not very
much inculcated in the inclusivity that we are trying to achieve here. So until
we have truly included the real owners of the entity i.e. African netizens ,
then am sorry this will pass as another attempt to hijack multistakeholderism.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify;line-height:normal"><span style> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify;line-height:normal"><span style>Therefore I lend my voice to those who feel the same and
object to the process of self-nomination.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify;line-height:normal"><span style> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify;line-height:normal"><span style>Thanks.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify;line-height:normal">
<span style><br></span></p>
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1. Re: Re: AfrICANN Digest, Vol 65, Issue 50 (Rafik Dammak)<br>
2. Re: Fwd: [AfrICANN-44] Africa Strategic plan (Holy Kamuzora)<br>
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Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 21:45:12 +0900<br>
From: Rafik Dammak <<a href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com" target="_blank">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Re: AfrICANN Digest, Vol 65, Issue 50<br>
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Hello everyone,<br>
<br>
First to those who seized the opportunity and volunteered and I find that<br>
is healthy to have remarks and feedback about the process followed. It is<br>
good that we have more information and details, thanks for sharing.<br>
<br>
Ad hoc work or group is good to act quickly and for starting, but it has<br>
many flaws and it is workaround or temporary solution which should led to<br>
more sustained and open approach. In addition, showing solidarity doesn't<br>
mean preventing people from expressing contradictory opinions, consensus is<br>
built through discussion and workin toward common ground and understanding<br>
not by imposing ideas or dismissing comments.<br>
<br>
Saying that, I think we should start defining some principles or rules of<br>
engagement for future initiatives involving our community:<br>
- having in mind balance and representation regarding all stakeholders<br>
(gov, ccTLD, private sector, users, civils society, academics etc) and<br>
regions, our continent has more than 50 countries ! That also raise the<br>
needs to bring more people from Africa but that is another story.<br>
- communicating with the community in public space like this mailing list<br>
and other fora and call for volunteers till setting a more permanent<br>
structure<br>
- discussions and documents should be public for openness and transparency .<br>
<br>
that doesn't prevent people from initiating ad hoc working groups and<br>
involving the community later, those principles soul give some guidance and<br>
avoid misunderstanding . We should have in mind that representation of all<br>
stakeholders and diversity is critical.<br>
<br>
For more substance, I think that ICANN should start more proper public<br>
consultation and not throwing the hot potatoes to volunteers. It was<br>
somehow mistake form CEO but it is ok, we have opportunity and let's see if<br>
some changes will happen and we will let Icann accountable .<br>
<br>
I would like to suggest that we share more information prior to and during<br>
Icann meetings, I didn't hear about that ad hoc session , it is sad.but<br>
let's think about Toronto meeting, looks we have some homework.<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
<br>
Rafik<br>
<br>
Le mercredi 25 juillet 2012, Bope Domilongo Christian a écrit :<br>
<br>
> Dear<br>
><br>
> This is my first time to add my voice to other , i support Badru<br>
> proposition , we have to work as a team ''one Team , One Goal '' to reach<br>
> our target to avoid wasting time to turn around without solution or clear<br>
> proposition.<br>
><br>
> Best Regards<br>
> Chrsitian Bope<br>
><br>
> On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 11:55 AM, Badru Ntege <<a href="mailto:badru.ntege@nftconsult.com" target="_blank">badru.ntege@nftconsult.com</a>>wrote:<br>
><br>
> Yassin<br>
><br>
> Though I get your point we also have to be aware that the world will not<br>
> sit around and wait for us Africans to get our act together making sure<br>
> that everyone is consulted. The use of technology and the array of<br>
> discussion lists around means that there is wide indirect consultation.<br>
> The fact that we are discussing your concerns on a list viewed by<br>
> thousands is testament to that fact.<br>
><br>
> We need to embrace the means we have and also be proactive. The members<br>
> at ICANN 44 were proactive and seized the opportunity. They then used the<br>
> means necessary to align the opportunity by widening the ad-hoc team<br>
> membership and now seeking community input which is a journey to<br>
> normalisation.<br>
><br>
> We are in a process so I think we need to be appreciative to those who<br>
> seize the opportunity and then be supportive in guiding them through<br>
> dialogue to achieve a win-win solution.<br>
><br>
> Regards<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Badru Ntege<br>
> CEO<br>
> NFT Consult Ltd<br>
> <a href="http://Www.Nftconsult.com" target="_blank">Www.Nftconsult.com</a><br>
><br>
> “Vision without execution is hallucination.”<br>
> ― Thomas A. Edison<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On 25 Jul 2012, at 01:17, Y Mshana2003 <<a href="mailto:ymshana2003@gmail.com" target="_blank">ymshana2003@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Hii..<br>
> Thank you for the explanation which made it clear that not all the<br>
> information is shared widely before, during, and after any Africans<br>
> Meetings?!! That is against the guidelines... There was no reason to rush<br>
> in response to CEO's directive the way it was done.... There were time to<br>
> flash an email to request for Inputs then... I wonder why that was not<br>
> done? Was this shared within participants? The list of participants is<br>
> available...<br>
><br>
> What made me raise all this is a simple fact that, what are we doing if<br>
> such important information could not be shared in Good time when ICANN mtg<br>
> was going on?<br>
> If it was not possible then, will mobile phone survey work?<br>
> My suggestion would be to inform the ICANN CEO that a proper consultation<br>
> need to be made and report at appropriate time - could be after Toronto mtg<br>
> since the process takes time (and the WG was self selected as it is obvious<br>
> now therefore the information would not represent opinions from all<br>
> Africans concerned)<br>
><br>
> Will that email to the CEO made public please? Thank you.<br>
> The meaning for all this is to paint the true picture of our participation<br>
> and representation at ICANN mtgs and to absolve our interactions with ICANN<br>
> from political organisations.<br>
> That is all I have for now on this issue.<br>
> Kind regards<br>
> Yassin(always for Africa!)<br>
><br>
> From Yassin . Sent from samsung mobile. On O2.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Dandjinou Pierre <<a href="mailto:pdandjinou@gmail.com" target="_blank">pdandjinou@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
><br>
> Dear Yassin, Baudouin and Barrack!<br>
><br>
> Thanks for the feedback on the questionnaires. Your different points<br>
> suggest there is a flaw in the way we communicate within this African Icann<br>
> community! If the minutes of the African meetings in Prague were circulated<br>
> on the different lists, you probably would have noticed there is no<br>
> exclusion whatesoever,nor any highjacking on representing Africa.<br>
><br>
> I then hope the organizers of the 'African meetings at ICANN 44 in Prague<br>
> will provide minutes and other detailed information.Btw, a special list was<br>
> set up during the conference and I am copying this to it..<br>
><br>
> I can only state that African participants to Icann were invited to a<br>
> meeting with Icann Board and the incoming CEO. Those who could make it to<br>
> the meeting did it, and were informed by the new CEO that he is keen to<br>
> assist, and that an Africa specific strategy was needed by Next Icann<br>
> meeting in Toronto in October. Participants then resolved to form a working<br>
> group and three people were unanimously nominated..Tarek, Nii and<br>
> myself..Then considerations on gender balance as well as regional<br>
> representation were floated..with the addition of Maimouna Diop and Palesa<br>
> Legoze..and still waiting for regional representatives to join..<br>
><br>
> Best Regards<br>
> Christian Bope Domilongo<br>
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Rafik Dammak<br>
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Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 16:13:05 +0300<br>
From: Holy Kamuzora <<a href="mailto:hkamuzora@gmail.com" target="_blank">hkamuzora@gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Fwd: [AfrICANN-44] Africa Strategic<br>
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An impressive initiative i should say. Congratulations to all.<br>
<br>
Suggestion to The formed committee which i believe is to spear head "The<br>
strategy for Africa". For Africa to actively participate in ICANN, i think<br>
/ believe the first step is for them to be made aware of what it is. Now<br>
coming to this i believe many aware are (some) people in the IT/ICT world<br>
so in devising the strategy please make a mechanism which can also push for<br>
others to be aware/ to know the effect and i believe this will urge them to<br>
actively participate.<br>
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Regards,<br>
Holy.<br>
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On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 2:42 PM, Dandjinou Pierre <<a href="mailto:pdandjinou@gmail.com" target="_blank">pdandjinou@gmail.com</a>>wrote:<br>
<br>
> All,<br>
> For your information,these minutes were prepared and circulated on the<br>
> AfrICANN 44 list by Makane Faye at the end of the meeting with ICANN Board<br>
><br>
> The subsequent threads below provide further details .<br>
><br>
> I am sharing them here for further clarification and hope we Shall now<br>
> move on and collectively deliver<br>
><br>
> Regards<br>
> Pierre<br>
><br>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>
> From: Makane Faye <<a href="mailto:mfaye@uneca.org" target="_blank">mfaye@uneca.org</a>><br>
> Date: Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 7:11 AM<br>
> Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-44] Africa Strategic plan<br>
> To: Mary Uduma <<a href="mailto:mnuduma@yahoo.com" target="_blank">mnuduma@yahoo.com</a>>, AfrICANN-44 Participant List <<br>
> <a href="mailto:africann-44@afrinic.net" target="_blank">africann-44@afrinic.net</a>><br>
> Cc: "<a href="mailto:africa@gac.icann.org" target="_blank">africa@gac.icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:africa@gac.icann.org" target="_blank">africa@gac.icann.org</a>>, "<br>
> <a href="mailto:afgwg-discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank">afgwg-discuss@afrinic.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:afgwg-discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank">afgwg-discuss@afrinic.net</a>>, Steve Crocker <<br>
> <a href="mailto:steve@shinkuro.com" target="_blank">steve@shinkuro.com</a>>, Makane Faye <<a href="mailto:faymakane@gmail.com" target="_blank">faymakane@gmail.com</a>>, Jamie Hedlund <<br>
> <a href="mailto:jamie.hedlund@icann.org" target="_blank">jamie.hedlund@icann.org</a>><br>
><br>
><br>
> Dear Manal, Mary, Moktar and other Colleagues,<br>
><br>
> I wish to congratulate Alice for proposing a bottom up approach, which<br>
> should be adopted by the IGFs which have not yet started their process. In<br>
> this connection, I would like to echoe Moktar's proposal to strengthen the<br>
> Committee which was established yesterday to depart from a Committee of 4<br>
> to a Committee of 7 taking into account representatives from the remaining<br>
> 3 regions.<br>
><br>
> In this regard, I propose that Ms Palesa Legose of the Department of<br>
> Communication in South Africa which is the Vice-Chair of the African<br>
> Ministerial ICT Conference represents the Southern African sub-region.<br>
><br>
> East African stakeholders are requested to consult among themselves and<br>
> propose 1 member to the Committee; the Central African Group is also<br>
> required to follow the same process.<br>
><br>
> I believe if we have Palesa and one representative each from East and<br>
> Central Africa, the list of Committee members could be closed. May I take<br>
> this opportunity to submit the minutes of yesterday's meeting.<br>
><br>
> Best regards,<br>
><br>
><br>
> Mary Uduma <<a href="mailto:mnuduma@yahoo.com" target="_blank">mnuduma@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> Dear All,<br>
>> I wish to join in thanking Steve and his team for the productive meeting<br>
>> held today. The AF Community in ICANN has been encouraged by your show of<br>
>> support and commitment towards the different topics discussed today. Thank<br>
>> you so much. We look forward to working with the Board in actualissing the<br>
>> resolutions reached.<br>
>><br>
>> Alice, the East Africa IGF is a good starting point. I have taken a cue<br>
>> from you to suggest to the coordinator of West Africa IGF to include such<br>
>> discussions at the forthcoming WAIGF in Sierra Leone 2 - 4 July. I have<br>
>> received a positive response urging me to be present for the discussion.<br>
>><br>
>> I wish to encourage AF community from West Africa to endeavor to attend<br>
>> the WAIGF meeting and make contributions to enrich the discussion. Check<br>
>> out www,<a href="http://waigf.org" target="_blank">waigf.org</a> to register.<br>
>><br>
>> ICANN is a strong partner of the event, and we shall not miss the<br>
>> opportunity to reach out to our people. I hope ICANN is sending a strong<br>
>> representation to the meeting.<br>
>><br>
>> Mary.<br>
>> .ng<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> ------------------------------<br>
>> *From:* "<a href="mailto:alice@apc.org" target="_blank">alice@apc.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:alice@apc.org" target="_blank">alice@apc.org</a>><br>
>> *To:* <a href="mailto:africa@gac.icann.org" target="_blank">africa@gac.icann.org</a>; <a href="mailto:afgwg-discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank">afgwg-discuss@afrinic.net</a>;<br>
>> <a href="mailto:africann-44@afrinic.net" target="_blank">africann-44@afrinic.net</a>; <a href="mailto:africa@gac.icann.org" target="_blank">africa@gac.icann.org</a>; Jamie Hedlund <<br>
>> <a href="mailto:jamie.hedlund@icann.org" target="_blank">jamie.hedlund@icann.org</a>><br>
>> *Cc:* Steve Crocker <<a href="mailto:steve@shinkuro.com" target="_blank">steve@shinkuro.com</a>><br>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 27, 2012 5:02 PM<br>
>><br>
>> *Subject:* [AfrICANN-44] Africa Strategic plan<br>
>><br>
>> Dear Colleagues,<br>
>><br>
>> We wish to thank Steve and other members of the board for making the time<br>
>> to meet with African stakeholders this morning. It was a very productive<br>
>> meeting.<br>
>><br>
>> We want to take this opportunity to again welcome the new CEO Fadi<br>
>> Chehadé and are grateful for your strong support and look forward to<br>
>> working with you to increase Africa's participation and contribution to<br>
>> ICANN.<br>
>><br>
>> We wish to inform you that the East Africa region plans to hold the<br>
>> regional IGF, the East Africa IGF in July 17 and 18th and before then each<br>
>> EA country will hold their own national IGF. The Kenya one will take place<br>
>> on 6th July in Nairobi.<br>
>><br>
>> As you will note from the programme (<a href="http://www.eaigf.or.ke" target="_blank">www.eaigf.or.ke</a>) we have a session<br>
>> during the EAIGF that speaks to our engagement with ICANN by way of<br>
>> introduction of what ICANN is, what it does and on new gTLDs.<br>
>><br>
>> We intend to begin discussions on the proposed Africa strategic plan<br>
>> during this meeting to ensure that we have multi-stakeholder consultation<br>
>> on identifying the current challenges, proposing possible solutions and<br>
>> exploring how we wish to participate and contribute to the ICANN process.<br>
>><br>
>> We look forward to sharing the outcome of the forum with you all. We hope<br>
>> that the inputs will form a part of the ICANN's Strategic plan under<br>
>> development.<br>
>><br>
>> Thank you and kind regards<br>
>><br>
>> Alice Munyua<br>
>> Kenya<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
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