[AfrICANN-discuss] Help with .africa history
Nigel Roberts
nigel at channelisles.net
Tue Jul 3 09:25:02 SAST 2012
As I was one of the European Council Members for the DNSO (before it
split into ccNSO and GNSO) I can confirm Calvin is correct - when he
says it was normal that the ccTLD Constitutency considered a newTLD
proposal that was presented to the DNSO this was entirely in line with
the ICANN structure.
Nigel
PS: ICANN was smaller then. Interestingly although (as a ccTLD manager)
I strongly support the historical reboot of ICANN, the increase in
influece that the creation of a separate Supporting Organisation brought
to the ccTLDs, was a tradeoff at the expense of useful
cross-fertilisation with gTLD people IMO
On 03/07/12 09:06, Brian Munyao Longwe wrote:
> Calvin,
>
> Thanks for refreshing (all of our memories) on some of the less
> noticeable and easy to be missed aspects of the .africa history.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Brian
>
> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 9:25 AM, Calvin Browne <calvin at orange-tree.alt.za
> <mailto:calvin at orange-tree.alt.za>> wrote:
>
> On 02/07/2012 16:37, Dr Yassin Mshana wrote:
>> Hello Africans,
>>
>> I think we are getting somewhere now.
>>
>> How comes no one knows anything about <.africa> issues in the past?
>
> It's simple - they came after this happened, or their memories are
> fading.
>
>
>>
>> Can we accurate please? That will be the misleading information
>> that I had mentioned to Rebecca.
>
> Agreed - which is why I'm providing references (which took some time
> to dig up).
>
>>
>> I know and remember that the issue of <.africa> did not come up
>> and should not have been considered by ccTLD (ccNSO) constituent
>> since there is and was gTLD Constituent which was responsible for
>> that issue.
>
> Not entirely correct.
> There was a DNSO (Domain Name Support Organisation) which had
> several 'constituencies'. Only later did the cc's organise into a
> separate Supporting Organisation (I think it was first mooted in
> Stockholm). So, basically, the cc's only had a 'separate' voice
> later. Until the ccNSO was formed, everything they did was
> channelled through the DNSO, now the GNSO.
> As I mainly hung out in the cc group, it was the logical place for
> me to get some opposition to what was, in my eyes, a recolonisation
> attempt.
> I was not alone in this effort - and lots of other people, Africans
> and non-Africans were involved in this opposition.
>
>>
>> May I suggest that we provide accurate information please? If one
>> does not know - just say so please - the issues was beyond your
>> mandate. Fellow Africans, let us be professional by giving
>> accurate information to the journalist please! No room for
>> anything else but a True Story...
>
> Well - you're welcome to believe a woman who arrived half way on the
> scene, and implemented a business plan which I outlined to her in a
> lunch meeting in São Paulo in 2006, and subsequently claimed the
> idea as her own.
>
> Or, you could go look at the records (which admittedly takes time).
>
> It was only when I saw clear errors which were going to put forward
> that I felt the need to spend the hour or two doing research to get
> substantiation.
>
> And I did outline the stuff which I've substantiated above to
> 'Becky. Although I got my initial dates wrong by a year.
>
> regards
>
> --Calvin
>
>
>>
>> May I request this to apply in everything we communicate? It is
>> impossible one to know everything....or it is?
>>
>> That is all for now on this
>>
>> Yassin (Neutral and 24/7 for Africa!!)
>>
>>
>> On 2 July 2012 12:19, Calvin Browne <calvin at orange-tree.alt.za
>> <mailto:calvin at orange-tree.alt.za>> wrote:
>>
>> On 02/07/2012 13:10, Calvin Browne wrote:
>>
>> On 28/06/2012 13:24, Dandjinou Pierre wrote:
>>
>> Rebecca,
>>
>> Good you are writing the history of .Africa
>>
>> To my knowledge, there has not been any application
>> for the .Africa
>> string, apart from those we now have with the new gTLD
>> programme.
>>
>>
>> There was an actual application in one of the previous
>> rounds. The applicant even paid a fee, but never came to
>> present.
>>
>> I personally helped to pen the GAC' s opposition statement
>> to this application. This statement was, if memory serves
>> me right, actually adopted by the Country Code TLD
>> Registry Constituency, as it was then known, largely intact.
>>
>> Herewith the application list concerned:
>>
>> http://archive.icann.org/en/tlds/tld-applications-lodged-02oct00.htm
>>
>> regards
>>
>> --Calvin
>>
>>
>> >From
>>
>> http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/la2000/archive/scribe-icann-111500.html
>> - the cc's report was summarised (Ben Edelmann had a habit of
>> summing up what was actually said) as "African ICANN
>> participants: Urge vigilance when delegating regional TLDs,
>> especially regions without a developed Internet community. "
>>
>> Also:
>>
>> http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/la2000/archive/scribe-icann-111400.html
>>
>> "
>> C. ccTLD Constituency: Past 2 days with over 40 ccTLDs
>> present, got substantial and sometimes unanimous consensus on
>> 4 items. Materials at http://www.wwtld.org .
>> 1. Contract for services between ccTLDs and ICANN.
>> 2. Discussed �best practice� document. Further discussion at
>> 10:30.
>> 3. Object to regional geographic names for new TLDs (�.africa�).
>> "
>>
>> Seems even the ISP constituency got on board:
>>
>> "
>> D. ISP Constituency: Tony Harris presenting.
>> <SNIP>
>> 4. New gTLDs: Aware of concerns about .africa. Advise careful
>> and deliberate rollout of new TLDs to cope with land rush
>> problems. Concerned that review may have been biased. Expenses
>> of process should be made public.
>> "
>>
>> I can't find the GAC's letter - they had a habit of storing it
>> on a separate server.
>>
>> regards
>>
>> --Calvin
>>
>>
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