[AfrICANN-discuss] Help with .africa history

Michele Neylon :: Blacknight michele at blacknight.ie
Tue Jul 3 10:07:45 SAST 2012


On 3 Jul 2012, at 08:25, Nigel Roberts wrote:

> As I was one of the European Council Members for the DNSO (before it split into ccNSO and GNSO) I can confirm Calvin is correct - when he says it was normal that the ccTLD Constitutency considered a newTLD proposal that was presented to the DNSO this was entirely in line with the ICANN structure.
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> Nigel
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> PS: ICANN was smaller then. Interestingly although (as a ccTLD manager) I strongly support the historical reboot of ICANN, the increase in influece that the creation of a separate Supporting Organisation brought to the ccTLDs, was a tradeoff at the expense of useful cross-fertilisation with gTLD people IMO


And there's still a rather deep separation between the two groups today .. GNSO and ccNSO don't talk to each other that much - which is a pity


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> On 03/07/12 09:06, Brian Munyao Longwe wrote:
>> Calvin,
>> 
>> Thanks for refreshing (all of our memories) on some of the less
>> noticeable and easy to be missed aspects of the .africa history.
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> Brian
>> 
>> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 9:25 AM, Calvin Browne <calvin at orange-tree.alt.za
>> <mailto:calvin at orange-tree.alt.za>> wrote:
>> 
>>    On 02/07/2012 16:37, Dr Yassin Mshana wrote:
>>>    Hello Africans,
>>> 
>>>    I think we are getting somewhere now.
>>> 
>>>    How comes no one knows anything about <.africa> issues in the past?
>> 
>>    It's simple - they came after this happened, or their memories are
>>    fading.
>> 
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>>> 
>>>    Can we accurate please? That will be the misleading information
>>>    that I had mentioned to Rebecca.
>> 
>>    Agreed - which is why I'm providing references (which took some time
>>    to dig up).
>> 
>>> 
>>>    I know and remember that the issue of <.africa> did not come up
>>>    and should not have been considered by ccTLD (ccNSO) constituent
>>>    since there is and was gTLD Constituent which was responsible for
>>>    that issue.
>> 
>>    Not entirely correct.
>>    There was a DNSO (Domain Name Support Organisation) which had
>>    several 'constituencies'. Only later did the cc's organise into a
>>    separate Supporting Organisation (I think it was first mooted in
>>    Stockholm). So, basically, the cc's only had a 'separate' voice
>>    later. Until the ccNSO was formed, everything they did was
>>    channelled through the DNSO, now the GNSO.
>>    As I mainly hung out in the cc group, it was the logical place for
>>    me to get some opposition to what was, in my eyes, a recolonisation
>>    attempt.
>>    I was not alone in this effort - and lots of other people, Africans
>>    and non-Africans were involved in this opposition.
>> 
>>> 
>>>    May I suggest that we provide accurate information please? If one
>>>    does not know - just say so please - the issues was beyond your
>>>    mandate. Fellow Africans, let us be professional by giving
>>>    accurate information to the journalist please! No room for
>>>    anything else but a True Story...
>> 
>>    Well - you're welcome to believe a woman who arrived half way on the
>>    scene, and implemented a business plan which I outlined to her in a
>>    lunch meeting in São Paulo in 2006, and subsequently claimed the
>>    idea as her own.
>> 
>>    Or, you could go look at the records (which admittedly takes time).
>> 
>>    It was only when I saw clear errors which were going to put forward
>>    that I felt the need to spend the hour or two doing research to get
>>    substantiation.
>> 
>>    And I did outline the stuff which I've substantiated above to
>>    'Becky. Although I got my initial dates wrong by a year.
>> 
>>    regards
>> 
>>    --Calvin
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>>    May I request this to apply in everything we communicate?  It is
>>>    impossible one to know everything....or it is?
>>> 
>>>    That is all for now on this
>>> 
>>>    Yassin (Neutral and 24/7 for Africa!!)
>>> 
>>> 
>>>    On 2 July 2012 12:19, Calvin Browne <calvin at orange-tree.alt.za
>>>    <mailto:calvin at orange-tree.alt.za>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>        On 02/07/2012 13:10, Calvin Browne wrote:
>>> 
>>>            On 28/06/2012 13:24, Dandjinou Pierre wrote:
>>> 
>>>                Rebecca,
>>> 
>>>                Good you are writing the history of .Africa
>>> 
>>>                To my knowledge, there has not been any application
>>>                for the .Africa
>>>                string, apart from those we now have with the new gTLD
>>>                programme.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>            There was an actual application in one of the previous
>>>            rounds. The applicant even paid a fee, but never came to
>>>            present.
>>> 
>>>            I personally helped to pen the GAC' s opposition statement
>>>            to this application. This statement was, if memory serves
>>>            me right, actually adopted by the Country Code TLD
>>>            Registry Constituency, as it was then known, largely intact.
>>> 
>>>            Herewith the application list concerned:
>>> 
>>>            http://archive.icann.org/en/tlds/tld-applications-lodged-02oct00.htm
>>> 
>>>            regards
>>> 
>>>            --Calvin
>>> 
>>> 
>>>            >From
>>> 
>>>        http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/la2000/archive/scribe-icann-111500.html
>>>        - the cc's report was summarised (Ben Edelmann had a habit of
>>>        summing up what was actually said) as "African ICANN
>>>        participants: Urge vigilance when delegating regional TLDs,
>>>        especially regions without a developed Internet community. "
>>> 
>>>        Also:
>>> 
>>>        http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/la2000/archive/scribe-icann-111400.html
>>> 
>>>        "
>>>        C. ccTLD Constituency: Past 2 days with over 40 ccTLDs
>>>        present, got substantial and sometimes unanimous consensus on
>>>        4 items. Materials at http://www.wwtld.org .
>>>        1. Contract for services between ccTLDs and ICANN.
>>>        2. Discussed �best practice� document. Further discussion at
>>>        10:30.
>>>        3. Object to regional geographic names for new TLDs (�.africa�).
>>>        "
>>> 
>>>        Seems even the ISP constituency got on board:
>>> 
>>>        "
>>>        D. ISP Constituency: Tony Harris presenting.
>>>        <SNIP>
>>>        4. New gTLDs: Aware of concerns about .africa. Advise careful
>>>        and deliberate rollout of new TLDs to cope with land rush
>>>        problems. Concerned that review may have been biased. Expenses
>>>        of process should be made public.
>>>        "
>>> 
>>>        I can't find the GAC's letter - they had a habit of storing it
>>>        on a separate server.
>>> 
>>>        regards
>>> 
>>>        --Calvin
>>> 
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