[AfrICANN-discuss] Help with .africa history
Michele Neylon :: Blacknight
michele at blacknight.ie
Tue Jul 3 10:07:45 SAST 2012
On 3 Jul 2012, at 08:25, Nigel Roberts wrote:
> As I was one of the European Council Members for the DNSO (before it split into ccNSO and GNSO) I can confirm Calvin is correct - when he says it was normal that the ccTLD Constitutency considered a newTLD proposal that was presented to the DNSO this was entirely in line with the ICANN structure.
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> Nigel
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> PS: ICANN was smaller then. Interestingly although (as a ccTLD manager) I strongly support the historical reboot of ICANN, the increase in influece that the creation of a separate Supporting Organisation brought to the ccTLDs, was a tradeoff at the expense of useful cross-fertilisation with gTLD people IMO
And there's still a rather deep separation between the two groups today .. GNSO and ccNSO don't talk to each other that much - which is a pity
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> On 03/07/12 09:06, Brian Munyao Longwe wrote:
>> Calvin,
>>
>> Thanks for refreshing (all of our memories) on some of the less
>> noticeable and easy to be missed aspects of the .africa history.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 9:25 AM, Calvin Browne <calvin at orange-tree.alt.za
>> <mailto:calvin at orange-tree.alt.za>> wrote:
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>> On 02/07/2012 16:37, Dr Yassin Mshana wrote:
>>> Hello Africans,
>>>
>>> I think we are getting somewhere now.
>>>
>>> How comes no one knows anything about <.africa> issues in the past?
>>
>> It's simple - they came after this happened, or their memories are
>> fading.
>>
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>>>
>>> Can we accurate please? That will be the misleading information
>>> that I had mentioned to Rebecca.
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>> Agreed - which is why I'm providing references (which took some time
>> to dig up).
>>
>>>
>>> I know and remember that the issue of <.africa> did not come up
>>> and should not have been considered by ccTLD (ccNSO) constituent
>>> since there is and was gTLD Constituent which was responsible for
>>> that issue.
>>
>> Not entirely correct.
>> There was a DNSO (Domain Name Support Organisation) which had
>> several 'constituencies'. Only later did the cc's organise into a
>> separate Supporting Organisation (I think it was first mooted in
>> Stockholm). So, basically, the cc's only had a 'separate' voice
>> later. Until the ccNSO was formed, everything they did was
>> channelled through the DNSO, now the GNSO.
>> As I mainly hung out in the cc group, it was the logical place for
>> me to get some opposition to what was, in my eyes, a recolonisation
>> attempt.
>> I was not alone in this effort - and lots of other people, Africans
>> and non-Africans were involved in this opposition.
>>
>>>
>>> May I suggest that we provide accurate information please? If one
>>> does not know - just say so please - the issues was beyond your
>>> mandate. Fellow Africans, let us be professional by giving
>>> accurate information to the journalist please! No room for
>>> anything else but a True Story...
>>
>> Well - you're welcome to believe a woman who arrived half way on the
>> scene, and implemented a business plan which I outlined to her in a
>> lunch meeting in São Paulo in 2006, and subsequently claimed the
>> idea as her own.
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>> Or, you could go look at the records (which admittedly takes time).
>>
>> It was only when I saw clear errors which were going to put forward
>> that I felt the need to spend the hour or two doing research to get
>> substantiation.
>>
>> And I did outline the stuff which I've substantiated above to
>> 'Becky. Although I got my initial dates wrong by a year.
>>
>> regards
>>
>> --Calvin
>>
>>
>>>
>>> May I request this to apply in everything we communicate? It is
>>> impossible one to know everything....or it is?
>>>
>>> That is all for now on this
>>>
>>> Yassin (Neutral and 24/7 for Africa!!)
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2 July 2012 12:19, Calvin Browne <calvin at orange-tree.alt.za
>>> <mailto:calvin at orange-tree.alt.za>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 02/07/2012 13:10, Calvin Browne wrote:
>>>
>>> On 28/06/2012 13:24, Dandjinou Pierre wrote:
>>>
>>> Rebecca,
>>>
>>> Good you are writing the history of .Africa
>>>
>>> To my knowledge, there has not been any application
>>> for the .Africa
>>> string, apart from those we now have with the new gTLD
>>> programme.
>>>
>>>
>>> There was an actual application in one of the previous
>>> rounds. The applicant even paid a fee, but never came to
>>> present.
>>>
>>> I personally helped to pen the GAC' s opposition statement
>>> to this application. This statement was, if memory serves
>>> me right, actually adopted by the Country Code TLD
>>> Registry Constituency, as it was then known, largely intact.
>>>
>>> Herewith the application list concerned:
>>>
>>> http://archive.icann.org/en/tlds/tld-applications-lodged-02oct00.htm
>>>
>>> regards
>>>
>>> --Calvin
>>>
>>>
>>> >From
>>>
>>> http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/la2000/archive/scribe-icann-111500.html
>>> - the cc's report was summarised (Ben Edelmann had a habit of
>>> summing up what was actually said) as "African ICANN
>>> participants: Urge vigilance when delegating regional TLDs,
>>> especially regions without a developed Internet community. "
>>>
>>> Also:
>>>
>>> http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/la2000/archive/scribe-icann-111400.html
>>>
>>> "
>>> C. ccTLD Constituency: Past 2 days with over 40 ccTLDs
>>> present, got substantial and sometimes unanimous consensus on
>>> 4 items. Materials at http://www.wwtld.org .
>>> 1. Contract for services between ccTLDs and ICANN.
>>> 2. Discussed �best practice� document. Further discussion at
>>> 10:30.
>>> 3. Object to regional geographic names for new TLDs (�.africa�).
>>> "
>>>
>>> Seems even the ISP constituency got on board:
>>>
>>> "
>>> D. ISP Constituency: Tony Harris presenting.
>>> <SNIP>
>>> 4. New gTLDs: Aware of concerns about .africa. Advise careful
>>> and deliberate rollout of new TLDs to cope with land rush
>>> problems. Concerned that review may have been biased. Expenses
>>> of process should be made public.
>>> "
>>>
>>> I can't find the GAC's letter - they had a habit of storing it
>>> on a separate server.
>>>
>>> regards
>>>
>>> --Calvin
>>>
>>>
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