[SPAM] Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] DCA expresses commitment to work with African ccTLDs

Wed Nov 23 09:19:19 SAST 2011

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On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 9:10 PM, Dr Yassin Mshana <ymshana2003 at gmail.com>wrote:

> Well well well, Now I is obvious that a basic rule as been broken here.....
>
> One should not use the Terminology which is not clear to the public or
> target group - English saying or humor have their place not in such forum
> please - plain language is preferred = damage control? NO!
>
> A sexist remark has been directed to the Director therefore an apology is
> the least one should consider giving not to argue about language etc
> etc..It is waste of everybody's time I think.
>
> In my opinion, I see it inappropriate to use such a language (shop talk)
> in a profession space such as this.
>
> Someones conduct in public is important. ...Trust can easily be broken and
> respect goes down with it.
>
> Let DCA move on please...I for one is ready to continue with the support
> to the Yes Campaign.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Yassin
>
> On 22 November 2011 08:53, Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Lerato
>>
>> I will not be Drawn into personal battles.  You need to read my email
>> again with regard the issues and not personality.  Life has taught me that
>> no one individual can be bigger than the institution.  (I think the English
>> call it having a "chip on your shoulder" forget the personal issues and
>> stick to the issues only)
>>
>> Rest of my comments in line.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 22 Nov 2011, at 01:52, Lerato Mamboleo <lerato.ma at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> Badru,
>>
>> First, we think the innuendo to “beauty contest” is a very sexist remark
>> which was meant to show disrespect to the person of the spearhead of the
>> Yes2dotAfrica campaign.  It is very disturbing that even the slightest
>> discussion about DCA and DotAfrica can no longer be conducted in a
>> civilized way, without it becoming personal.
>>
>>
>> The term "beauty contest" is often used in business when we go into
>> bidding which Basicaly means the firm that has the best all round solution
>> wins.  As per my earlier email it was not aimed at any individual.
>>
>> For your information I have met the individual you seem to think I refer
>> to here and we might have differences in views but I have a level of
>> respect.
>>
>> Let me ask that as long as you are reading my emails please remove the
>> personality cloud that seems to be derailing our discussions.  What we are
>> debating is not for personal gain but for the community.
>>
>>
>>  Therefore, for this very unnecessary allusion to ‘beauty contest’ that
>> was done in bad taste to reflect the gender of the DCA Executive Director,
>> we demand an immediate and unreserved apology, and a retraction of the
>> offensive sexist statement.  She is a very well educated, articulate and
>> very capable woman, and we think such sexist remarks have been deliberately
>> made to reduce from her important accomplishments regarding the DotAfrica
>> initiative, which that she has led successfully over the last few years. We
>> think it is also ‘cultural’ in Africa to show respect for women, and not to
>> see them only from the perspective of ‘physical beauty’. We must add that
>> such thinking and objectification of women is very retrogressive.w
>>
>>
>> The apology might be that you seem to personalize issues.  Please take
>> time and read my email in full.  Its paragraphs like the above that seem to
>> take us back to this diversion.  The leadership of DCA could be anyone but
>> if the facts and aims are divergent as they are to me now I would have
>> written the same text.
>>
>> Please spend some more time in the active community where we have done
>> allot of gender work and you would not be going off tangent like that. ( I
>> say that not as an insult but a figure of speech).
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Having clearly expressed the above, we wish to now clarify that DCA is *not
>> looking to capitalize on anything regarding its plans for DotAfrica.* The current ICANN gTLD programme to expand the Internet DNS to encompass
>> new geographical TLDs like DotAfrica is NEW and DCA has done its level best
>> to campaign and actively promote it, and involve key stakeholders, and in
>> the process managed to win key supportive endorsements for the initiative
>> it proposed.
>>
>>
>> From a technical point and communications point this is visible but does
>> not mean it is the right strategy and I think as an individual I have a
>> right to hold a different view.
>>
>>
>>  In spite of this, DCA has unfortunately suffered alienation and
>> victimization at the hands of the so called "leaders" of ‘community’, and
>> the relationship so far has been typified by, at best, indifference to the
>> positive works of DCA, and at worst acrimony; that is, as you have rightly
>> admitted, “the history of acrimony” which has manifested itself as the open
>> hostility displayed towards DCA.  Even now, DCA is being antagonized simply
>> because it received a positive press coverage which its detractors have
>> tried to detract from, by turning the discussion into a series of personal
>> attacks on the spearhead of the Yes2DotAfrica campaign.
>>
>>
>> In one of my emails I pointed to understanding the complex geopolitical
>> landscape that we have on this continent and the need to embrace it as
>> opposed to fighting it.  This means investing in the grass roots but also
>> learning from and with those who came before.   You refer to African
>> culture earlier in this email.  Culture tells us exactly that but to date
>> DCA seems not to value that. And again I might be wrong or I have not seen
>> evidence.
>>
>>
>>  As you have already noted that “DCA might have a good strategy on
>> paper, and might be able to lobby and mobilize well”, it is therefore
>> important that we all recognize that DCA has also made very important
>> contributions in building a larger ‘constituency’ to support the DotAfrica
>> initiative both at the continental and global levels.
>>
>> Therefore, DCA’s *real intention* is to contribute to the continent
>> based on its DotAfrica initiative.  On the other hand, the African Internet
>> Community has engaged in “training and positive sensitization” in the past,
>> the point is that such training and sensitization was not related directly
>> to DotAfrica, the topical issue of the moment.
>>
>>
>> I'm always willing to be educated and would like clarification how
>> training by the different Af* initiatives does not relate here.
>>
>>
>>  DCA has always wanted cooperation with the community, but our
>> experience so far reveals a deliberate strategy that aims to constantly
>> undermine our efforts.  You talk of dialogue and combining forces for an
>> “inclusive African solution”, but where is the trust? How can trust be
>> established in the present circumstances?
>>
>>
>> Trust is earned not given.  And they have been a number of issues where
>> the little trust that DCA had earned was quickly eroded by subsequent
>> activity and we just need to learn from those incidents.
>>
>>
>>  We all know that DotAfrica is a geographic TLD, but the community wants
>> it to be operated for its benefit as a community TLD.  Thus there is
>> already a clear difference in vision, and we recognize this as a huge
>> impediment that cannot be transcended at this point.
>>
>>
>> Yes it's a global TLD but the benefits/proceeds should all be ploughed
>> back in the community.
>> That is what is called community benefit.
>>
>>
>>  Therefore, we believe that a good starting point for honest dialogue is
>> for the ‘community’ to first of all recognize, and accept DCA’s prior
>> endorsement for the DotAfrica gTLD that was obtained from the African
>> Union. In our estimation, this would help restore trust between and amongst
>> us to enable the commencement of the fruitful dialogue that would form the
>> basis of the cooperation that you believe is possible.
>>
>>
>> Pre conditions in negotiations have never worked.  I would see this as a
>> show stopper. (my personal view)
>>
>>
>> However, if the leaders of the ‘community’ refuse to openly acknowledge
>> DCA’s prior AU Commission endorsement for DotAfrica,   DCA will continue
>> with its initiative independent of the community, since DCA’s aims in terms
>> of its mission and purpose for the DotAfrica gTLD is quite different from
>> the aims of the community regarding DotAfrica, since DCA’s outreach efforts
>> are to a larger Pan-African constituency.
>>
>>
>> I think my views on this are clear.
>>
>>
>> Finally, DCA hereby reiterates that it is simply committed to the ICANN
>> new gTLD programme and would abide by its stipulations and other conditions
>> and instructions enshrined in the Applicant’s Guidebook.  Therefore, to
>> those who have expressed a wish to know about DCA’s corporate information,
>> even though we believe that the request by one who is openly adversarial to
>> DCA is simply fueled by a frivolous and malevolent desire, we would like to
>> inform such persons that all necessary information and data will be
>> submitted with our DotAfrica gTLD application at the appropriate time to
>> ICANN as the only authorized body to perform administrative and other
>> background checks on every application.  Let ICANN evaluate DCA’s
>> eligibility and suitability or otherwise to apply successfully for the
>> operation of the DotAfrica gTLD and the registry, and DCA will accept the
>> outcome of that globally-approved governance process that will determine
>> whether the new DotAfrica gTLD will be delegated or not delegated.
>>
>>
>> I get totally confused. On one hand you are open to dialogue on the other
>> you are committed to a strategy that you will take regardless.
>>
>>
>> I rest my case still urging sticking to the issues
>>
>> Regards
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>   ------------------------------
>> *From:* Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>
>> *To:* "africann at afrinic.net" <africann at afrinic.net>
>> *Cc:* "africann at afrinic.net" <africann at afrinic.net>
>> *Sent:* Sunday, November 20, 2011 10:26 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] DCA expresses commitment to work with
>> African ccTLDs
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 20 Nov 2011, at 20:16, Dr Yassin Mshana < <ymshana2003 at gmail.com>
>> ymshana2003 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > That is a good move - DCA to work with African partners!!.
>> >
>> > My small question after several months of rumble but no rain is that,
>> > "where was everybody since 2004?" -  Now that when DCA and supporters
>> > is about to take the lead in .africa it has suddenly become a big
>> > issue" - Even drawing Hon Ministers into the middle of it all.
>>
>> Many people have been building the capacity and sustainability that DCA
>> is looking to capitalize on now.  Its not just a beauty contest its a case
>> of what substantial contribution have you done for the community.  Let's
>> not forget that a good foundation is very important for long time
>> sustainability.  I think if you go back since 2004 and compare how much
>> training and positive sensitization both parties have done we can start on
>> some positive discussions.
>>
>> After all is done we want an inclusive african solution. We already have
>> a number of them to show with over 10 years of Positively working on the
>> continent.  I do not see why we are now trying to re-invent the wheel.  Yes
>> DCA might have a good strategy on paper and might be able to lobby and
>> mobilize well, but what else ?
>>
>> For the sake of the community, we need to have some humility.
>>
>> I do think there could be room for compromise if the real intention of
>> DCA is to contribute to the continent in a way others have to date.
>>
>> Let's dialogue this is not a simple commercial deal but if done well
>> could have a fundamental positive impact on our continent.  Give the
>> community some respect and put the pure facts on the table, forget the
>> semantics, forget who said what when, lets look at who is capable to take
>> us where we want to go and the evidence that they will be able to do that.
>> But also the value of  either combining forces for an eventual single
>> solution which I hope is not too late due to the history of acrimony.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >
>> > One wonders what is the role of GAC if  Africans draw Hon Ministers
>> > into the middle of ICANN Process. That kind if discussion would have
>> > been done at Home and come into the meeting with a    well defined
>> > Agenda - not 'start cooking with the chief guests'
>> >
>> > Enough has been said before the ICANN-42...... why kick the dust now?
>> >
>> > That is to politely ask fellows ad friends to be strategic and
>> > professional - not to put sand into the flour.....
>> >
>> > Kind regards
>> >
>> > Yassin
>> >
>> >
>> > On 19/11/2011, McTim < <dogwallah at gmail.com>dogwallah at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> <http://www.africasciencenews.org/en/index.php/technology/45-hitech/217-dca-expresses-commitment-to-work-with-african-cctlds>
>> http://www.africasciencenews.org/en/index.php/technology/45-hitech/217-dca-expresses-commitment-to-work-with-african-cctlds
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> So the strategy seems to be to split ccTLDs as many ccTLDs from AfTLD
>> >> who are also making a competing bid for .africa. ??
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Cheers,
>> >>
>> >> McTim
>> >> "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A
>> >> route indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel
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