ayayayayayayaaaaa<div><br></div><div>SMH<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 9:10 PM, Dr Yassin Mshana <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ymshana2003@gmail.com">ymshana2003@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Well well well, Now I is obvious that a basic rule as been broken here.....<div><br></div><div>One should not use the Terminology which is not clear to the public or target group - English saying or humor have their place not in such forum please - plain language is preferred = damage control? NO!</div>
<div><br></div><div>A sexist remark has been directed to the Director therefore an apology is the least one should consider giving not to argue about language etc etc..It is waste of everybody's time I think.</div><div>
<br></div><div>In my opinion, I see it inappropriate to use such a language (shop talk) in a profession space such as this.</div><div><br></div><div>Someones conduct in public is important. ...Trust can easily be broken and respect goes down with it.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Let DCA move on please...I for one is ready to continue with the support to the Yes Campaign.</div><div><br></div><div>Kind regards</div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div><br></div><div>
Yassin</div></font></span><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On 22 November 2011 08:53, Badru Ntege <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:badru.ntege@nftconsult.com" target="_blank">badru.ntege@nftconsult.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div><br><span><span>Lerato</span></span></div><div><span><span><br></span></span></div><div><span><span>I will not be Drawn into personal battles. You need to read my email again with regard the issues and not personality. Life has taught me that no one individual can be bigger than the institution. (I think the English call it having a "chip on your shoulder" forget the personal issues and stick to the issues only)</span></span></div>
<div><span><span><br></span></span></div><div><span><span>Rest of my comments in line.</span></span></div><div><div><span><span><br></span></span></div><div><span><span><br></span></span><div><span><br></span></div>
</div><div><br>On 22 Nov 2011, at 01:52, Lerato Mamboleo <<a href="mailto:lerato.ma@yahoo.com" target="_blank">lerato.ma@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div></div><div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
<div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span><div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify">Badru,</div><div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify">
<br></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><div class="MsoNormal">First, we think the innuendo to
“beauty contest” is a very sexist remark which was meant to show disrespect to
the person of the spearhead of the Yes2dotAfrica campaign. It is very disturbing that even the slightest discussion about DCA and DotAfrica
can no longer be conducted in a civilized way, without it becoming personal.</div></div></span></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>The term "beauty contest" is often used in business when we go into bidding which Basicaly means the firm that has the best all round solution wins. As per my earlier email it was not aimed at any individual.</div>
<div><br></div><div>For your information I have met the individual you seem to think I refer to here and we might have differences in views but I have a level of respect. </div><div><br></div><div>Let me ask that as long as you are reading my emails please remove the personality cloud that seems to be derailing our discussions. What we are debating is not for personal gain but for the community. </div>
<div><br></div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span><div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><div class="MsoNormal">
Therefore, for this very unnecessary allusion
to ‘beauty contest’ that was done in bad taste to reflect the gender of the DCA
Executive Director, we demand an immediate and unreserved apology, and a
retraction of the offensive sexist statement. She is a very well educated, articulate and
very capable woman, and we think such sexist remarks have been deliberately
made to reduce from her important accomplishments regarding the DotAfrica
initiative, which that she has led successfully over the last few years. We
think it is also ‘cultural’ in Africa to show respect for women, and not to see
them only from the perspective of ‘physical beauty’. We must add that such
thinking and objectification of women is very retrogressive.w</div></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><br></div></span></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>The apology might be that you seem to personalize issues. Please take time and read my email in full. Its paragraphs like the above that seem to take us back to this diversion. The leadership of DCA could be anyone but if the facts and aims are divergent as they are to me now I would have written the same text. </div>
<div><br></div><div>Please spend some more time in the active community where we have done allot of gender work and you would not be going off tangent like that. ( I say that not as an insult but a figure of speech). </div>
<div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify">Having clearly expressed the
above, we wish to now clarify that DCA is <u>not looking to capitalize on anything
regarding its plans for DotAfrica.</u> The
current ICANN gTLD programme to expand the Internet DNS to encompass new
geographical TLDs like DotAfrica is NEW and DCA has done its level best to
campaign and actively promote it, and involve key stakeholders, and in the process
managed to win key supportive endorsements for the initiative it proposed. </div></span></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>From a technical point and communications point this is visible but does not mean it is the right strategy and I think as an individual I have a right to hold a different view.</div>
<div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span><div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><br>
</div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify">In spite of this, DCA has
unfortunately suffered alienation and victimization at the hands of the so called "leaders" of ‘community’, and the relationship so far has been typified by,
at best, indifference to the positive works of DCA, and at worst acrimony; that
is, as you have rightly admitted, “the history of acrimony” which has
manifested itself as the open hostility displayed towards DCA. Even now, DCA is being antagonized simply
because it received a positive press coverage which its detractors have tried to
detract from, by turning the discussion into a series of personal attacks on the
spearhead of the Yes2DotAfrica campaign.</div></span></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>In one of my emails I pointed to understanding the complex geopolitical landscape that we have on this continent and the need to embrace it as opposed to fighting it. This means investing in the grass roots but also learning from and with those who came before. You refer to African culture earlier in this email. Culture tells us exactly that but to date DCA seems not to value that. And again I might be wrong or I have not seen evidence.</div>
<div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span><div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><br>
</div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify">As you have already noted that
“DCA might have a good strategy on paper, and might be able to lobby and
mobilize well”, it is therefore important that we all recognize that DCA has
also made very important contributions in building a larger ‘constituency’ to
support the DotAfrica initiative both at the continental and global levels. </div><div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><br></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify">Therefore,
DCA’s <u>real intention</u> is to contribute to the continent based on its DotAfrica
initiative. On the other hand, the
African Internet Community has engaged in “training and positive sensitization”
in the past, the point is that such training and sensitization was not related
directly to DotAfrica, the topical issue of the moment. </div></span></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>I'm always willing to be educated and would like clarification how training by the different Af* initiatives does not relate here.</div>
<div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span><div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><br>
</div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify">DCA has always wanted cooperation
with the community, but our experience so far reveals a deliberate strategy
that aims to constantly undermine our efforts. You talk of dialogue and combining forces for
an “inclusive African solution”, but where is the trust? How can trust be
established in the present circumstances?</div></span></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>Trust is earned not given. And they have been a number of issues where the little trust that DCA had earned was quickly eroded by subsequent activity and we just need to learn from those incidents. </div>
<div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span><div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><br>
</div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify">We all know that DotAfrica is a
geographic TLD, but the community wants it to be operated for its benefit as a
community TLD. Thus there is already a clear
difference in vision, and we recognize this as a huge impediment that cannot be
transcended at this point. </div></span></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>Yes it's a global TLD but the benefits/proceeds should all be ploughed back in the community. </div><div>That is what is called community benefit. </div>
<div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span><div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><br>
</div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify">Therefore, we believe that a good
starting point for honest dialogue is for the ‘community’ to first of all
recognize, and accept DCA’s prior endorsement for the DotAfrica gTLD that was
obtained from the African Union. In our estimation, this would help restore
trust between and amongst us to enable the commencement of the fruitful
dialogue that would form the basis of the cooperation that you believe is
possible.</div></span></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>Pre conditions in negotiations have never worked. I would see this as a show stopper. (my personal view)</div><div><br><blockquote type="cite">
<div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span><div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><br></div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify">However, if the leaders of the
‘community’ refuse to openly acknowledge DCA’s prior AU Commission endorsement
for DotAfrica, DCA will continue with
its initiative independent of the community, since DCA’s aims in terms of its
mission and purpose for the DotAfrica gTLD is quite different from the aims of
the community regarding DotAfrica, since DCA’s outreach efforts are to a larger
Pan-African constituency.</div></span></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>I think my views on this are clear. </div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt">
<div><span><div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><br></div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify">Finally, DCA hereby reiterates that it is
simply committed to the ICANN new gTLD programme and would abide by its
stipulations and other conditions and instructions enshrined in the Applicant’s
Guidebook. Therefore, to those who have
expressed a wish to know about DCA’s corporate information, even though we
believe that the request by one who is openly adversarial to DCA is simply
fueled by a frivolous and malevolent desire, we would like to inform such
persons that all necessary information and data will be submitted with our
DotAfrica gTLD application at the appropriate time to ICANN as the only
authorized body to perform administrative and other background checks on every
application. Let ICANN evaluate DCA’s
eligibility and suitability or otherwise to apply successfully for the
operation of the DotAfrica gTLD and the registry, and DCA will accept the
outcome of that globally-approved governance process that will determine
whether the new DotAfrica gTLD will be delegated or not delegated. </div></span></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>I get totally confused. On one hand you are open to dialogue on the other you are committed to a strategy that you will take regardless.</div>
<div><br></div><div><br></div><div>I rest my case still urging sticking to the issues </div><div><br></div><div>Regards</div><div><div></div><div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><br><blockquote type="cite">
<div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span><div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><br></div>
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<font size="2" face="Arial"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> Badru Ntege <<a href="mailto:badru.ntege@nftconsult.com" target="_blank">badru.ntege@nftconsult.com</a>><br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> "<a href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net" target="_blank">africann@afrinic.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net" target="_blank">africann@afrinic.net</a>> <br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b> "<a href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net" target="_blank">africann@afrinic.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net" target="_blank">africann@afrinic.net</a>> <br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Sunday, November 20, 2011 10:26 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] DCA expresses commitment to work with African ccTLDs<br>
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<br><br><br>On 20 Nov 2011, at 20:16, Dr Yassin Mshana <<a href="mailto:ymshana2003@gmail.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:ymshana2003@gmail.com" target="_blank">ymshana2003@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br>> That is a good move - DCA to work with African partners!!.<br>
> <br>> My small question after several months of rumble but no rain is that,<br>> "where was everybody since 2004?" - Now that when DCA and supporters<br>> is about to take the lead in .africa it has suddenly become a big<br>
> issue" - Even drawing Hon Ministers into the middle of it all.<br><br>Many people have been building the capacity and sustainability that DCA is looking to capitalize on now. Its not just a beauty contest its a case of what substantial contribution have you done for the community. Let's not forget that a good foundation is very important for long time sustainability. I think if you go back since 2004 and compare how much training and positive
sensitization both parties have done we can start on some positive discussions. <br><br>After all is done we want an inclusive african solution. We already have a number of them to show with over 10 years of Positively working on the continent. I do not see why we are now trying to re-invent the wheel. Yes DCA might have a good strategy on paper and might be able to lobby and mobilize well, but what else ?<br>
<br>For the sake of the community, we need to have some humility. <br><br>I do think there could be room for compromise if the real intention of DCA is to contribute to the continent in a way others have to date. <br>
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Let's dialogue this is not a simple commercial deal but if done well could have a fundamental positive impact on our continent. Give the community some respect and put the pure facts on the table, forget the semantics, forget who said what when, lets look at who is capable to take us where we want to
go and the evidence that they will be able to do that. But also the value of either combining forces for an eventual single solution which I hope is not too late due to the history of acrimony.<br><br><br><br><br><br>
<br>> <br>> One wonders what is the role of GAC if Africans draw Hon Ministers<br>> into the middle of ICANN Process. That kind if discussion would have<br>> been done at Home and come into the meeting with a well defined<br>
> Agenda - not 'start cooking with the chief guests'<br>> <br>> Enough has been said before the ICANN-42...... why kick the dust now?<br>> <br>> That is to politely ask fellows ad friends to be strategic and<br>
> professional - not to put sand into the flour.....<br>> <br>> Kind regards<br>> <br>> Yassin<br>> <br>> <br>> On 19/11/2011, McTim <<a href="mailto:dogwallah@gmail.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:dogwallah@gmail.com" target="_blank">dogwallah@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> <a href="http://www.africasciencenews.org/en/index.php/technology/45-hitech/217-dca-expresses-commitment-to-work-with-african-cctlds" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://www.africasciencenews.org/en/index.php/technology/45-hitech/217-dca-expresses-commitment-to-work-with-african-cctlds" target="_blank">http://www.africasciencenews.org/en/index.php/technology/45-hitech/217-dca-expresses-commitment-to-work-with-african-cctlds</a><br>
>> <br>>> <br>>> So the strategy seems to be to split ccTLDs as many ccTLDs from AfTLD<br>>> who are also making a competing bid for .africa. ??<br>>> <br>>> <br>>> --<br>>> Cheers,<br>
>> <br>>> McTim<br>>> "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A<br>>> route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel<br>>> _______________________________________________<br>
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