[AfrICANN-discuss] AFRALO - AfrIC ANN joint meeting

Wed Dec 15 15:33:33 SAST 2010

Brothers, Sisters and our young Africans,

I think a LESSON has been learnt here.

Let us stop there and see how we can have the < .africa > operational as a
Business.This has been another Lesson learnt during Y2010. No more time
wasting on non-tangible and trivial issues please. Even our ancestors would
be happy if dot Africa was operational by Jan 2011 - It is very possible!

Let us move on as One.

Seasonal Greetings

Yassin

On 15 December 2010 13:51, Tijani BEN JEMAA <tijani.benjemaa at fmai.org>wrote:

>  Dear Vika,
>
>
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> You are absolutely right: The statement is adopted by the African
> participants in the AFRALO-AfrICANN meeting held in Cartagena, and not by
> the whole Africans participating in the Cartagena ICANN meeting.
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> I apologize if the formulation wasn’t that precise.
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> *Tijani BEN JEMAA*
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> *De :* africann-bounces at afrinic.net [mailto:africann-bounces at afrinic.net]
> *De la part de* Vika Mpisane
> *Envoyé :* mercredi 15 décembre 2010 12:04
> *À :* africann at afrinic.net
> *Objet :* RE: [AfrICANN-discuss] AFRALO - AfrIC ANN joint meeting
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> Dear Tijani,
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>
> I still think your explanation is incorrect because while I attended the
> ICANN Cartagena meeting, I did not attend the African community meeting
> there. So to say these are statements of the Africans who attended ICANN
> Cartagena is incorrect. As a matter of fact, I doubt that my employer would
> have allowed me to be part of such a statement.
>
>
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> In particular, I personally have some reservations with your statement
> relating to African participation at ICANN. I find it to be re-inventing the
> wheel which was tried in the past & did not succeed. Effective participation
> at ICANN or any similar institution should not be made to depend on ICANN
> funding or on ICANN supporting interested African participants.
>
>
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> In fact, I’m particularly disturbed by the statement that ICANN should
> increase the number of ICANN fellows from Africa. Shouldn’t it be the
> interested African parties that drive & fund their participation at ICANN?
> As much as ICANN offers travel fellowships, I can’t see a valid and
> justifiable ground on which ICANN would want to give Africa preference.
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> It should be African individual or his institution that takes interest in
> ICANN processes, and then support the individual by giving them time and
> resources to participate in ICANN processes. We can’t require ICANN to fund
> African governments or institutions so that they can participate in ICANN
> processes. Sadly this Cartagena statement intimates that this is what
> Africans want. I can’t disagree any more.
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>
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> Also, let’s do away with the attitude that you can only participate in
> ICANN processes by going to ICANN meetings. What about the ICANN mailing
> lists where detailed discussions happen in between ICANN meetings? You
> hardly see African participation in such open processes.
>
>
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> For example, the gNSO launched an open Vertical Integration WG – it was
> open to everybody, but I was only aware of Baudouin Schombe & myself (as an
> observer) participating there from Africa. You can’t blame Africa’s absence
> from such an important WG as down to lack of capacity. The new gTLDs are a
> known and understood process, and Africans had every capacity to understand
> the issues and make contributions, but as before, there was very limited
> African participation.
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>
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> There’s also the experience of ICANN fellows from Africa: it is often usual
> that you will see a good number of ICANN-funded African fellows in some
> meetings, but then you never see the majority of them anywhere or involved
> in other ICANN processes in between ICANN meetings. I’m really convinced
> that the absence of a strong African voice in most ICANN processes is not
> about capacity building but is about the reluctance of African individuals
> and their institutions to use their own resources to make an impact. Again,
> I must emphasize that you can very well make meaningful contributions in
> ICANN processes without having to travel there in person.
>
>
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> Also, I’m concerned that while the participation statement suggests
> feasible ways of encouraging participation, I just can’t see why it should
> be ICANN that funds most of these means. In fact, I think it should be the
> party feeling left out of the ICANN processes that should fund these means;
> it should not be ICANN!
>
>
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> I, therefore, would like to object strongly to the participation statement
> of “African representatives attending the ICANN Cartagena meeting”. I
> propose that it be amended to reflect that not all Africans  who attended
> ICANN Cartagena attended the African community meeting because I’m convinced
> that even if I attended, I would not have agreed with most of the contents
> of the statement.
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>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> *Vika Mpisane*
>
> ZADNA
>
> +27 11 275 0082
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> *From:* africann-bounces at afrinic.net [mailto:africann-bounces at afrinic.net]
> *On Behalf Of *Tijani BEN JEMAA
> *Sent:* 14 December 2010 08:22 PM
> *To:* 'Dr Yassin Mshana'
> *Cc:* africann at afrinic.net
> *Subject:* RE: [AfrICANN-discuss] AFRALO - AfrIC ANN joint meeting
>
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> Dear Yassin,
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>
>
> Nobody said that the statement we adopted in Cartagena was adopted by the
> whole African community, but by the members of the ICANN African community
> attending ICANN meeting in Cartagena, exactly like the one adopted in
> Brussels, that was clearly presented as the statement of the ICANN African
> community members attending the Brussels meeting.
>
>
>
> I just sent the text of the 2 statements adopted in Cartagena. Please read
> them, and tell me your remarks that I will record for any further
> initiative.
>
> I hope you will volunteer in the future to help in such initiative
>
>
>
> Many thanks for your interest.
>
>
>
> Best regards
>
>
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> *Tijani BEN JEMAA*
>
> Executive Director
>
> *M*editerranean *F*ederation of* I*nternet *A*ssociations
>
> *Phone : *+ 216 70 825 231
>
> *Mobile : *+ 216 98 330 114
>
> *Fax     :* + 216 70 825 231
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> *De :* Dr Yassin Mshana [mailto:ymshana2003 at gmail.com]
> *Envoyé :* mardi 14 décembre 2010 15:21
> *À :* tijani.benjemaa at fmai.org
> *Cc :* africann at afrinic.net
> *Objet :* [AfrICANN-discuss] AFRALO - AfrIC ANN joint meeting
>
>
>
> Dear Tijani,
>
>
>
> I saw the Call for the meeting to discuss African issues as described
> below.
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> I wish to register my congratulations for having such a meeting.
>
>
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> I am however concerned with 2 main things:
>
>    1. Did the African Region participants at the ICANN meeting have the
>    opinion of all Africans on the issues discussed?
>    2. Will the decisions or recommendations during the meeting have the
>    consent of Africans?
>
> An African colleague raised this concern with me for my observations which
> is that: A small group of Africans can meet and discuss issues and even make
> recommendations but those will *not *represent the opinion of Africans
> unless a Consultation Process involving the whole community takes place.
> This is in line with the Policy Development Process which the Internet
> community adheres to.
>
>
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> Lastly, will you please share with the rest of Africans the deliberations
> from that Group meeting. However, that does not mean that the process to
> come to that point is acceptable.
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> In my opinion that will look like hijacking the African Community by a
> group of representatives at the ICANN meeting.
>
> I look forward to seeing the proceedings of that meeting for information
> purposes.
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> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Yassin Mshana
>
> (tz)
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> Dear all,
>
> Continuing on the Brussels initiative, I’m pleased to invite you to the
> AFRALO – AfrICANN joint meeting that will be held in Cartagena, Colombia, on
> Tuesday 7 December 2010 at 14:00.
> The topics for this meeting will be:
> •       Follow-up on of the African community statement on the support to
> be provided to the new gTLD applicants who require assistance for applying
> for and operating new gTLD in light of the ICANN board decisions last
> October.
> •       Participation of the African community in the ICANN policy
> development
>
>  We will also welcome the new NomCom Chair Adam Peak who wanted to address
> our community. He will be accompanied by a number of the NomCom members.
>
> Please pass the information to all your networks, and we will be honoured
> to see you tomorrow discussing those 2 very important issues.
>
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