[AfrICANN-discuss] AFRALO - AfrIC ANN joint meeting

Wed Dec 15 15:42:23 SAST 2010

Trivial as these issues may seem to be, they still remain a thorny side on Africa's meaningful participation in processes of importance. We need a substantial change in attitude which should see us looking more at ourselves for support of what we do, and not outside Africa. If dot Africa will also depend on assistance from outside Africa, we will again be confining ourselves to dependency on the west.

Regards,

Vika Mpisane

ZADNA

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From: Dr Yassin Mshana [mailto:ymshana2003 at gmail.com] 
Sent: 15 December 2010 03:34 PM
To: africann at afrinic.net
Cc: vika at zadna.org.za
Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] AFRALO - AfrIC ANN joint meeting

Brothers, Sisters and our young Africans,

I think a LESSON has been learnt here. 

Let us stop there and see how we can have the < .africa > operational as a Business.This has been another Lesson learnt during Y2010. No more time wasting on non-tangible and trivial issues please. Even our ancestors would be happy if dot Africa was operational by Jan 2011 - It is very possible!

Let us move on as One.

Seasonal Greetings

Yassin

On 15 December 2010 13:51, Tijani BEN JEMAA <tijani.benjemaa at fmai.org> wrote:

Dear Vika,

You are absolutely right: The statement is adopted by the African participants in the AFRALO-AfrICANN meeting held in Cartagena, and not by the whole Africans participating in the Cartagena ICANN meeting. 

I apologize if the formulation wasn’t that precise.

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De : africann-bounces at afrinic.net [mailto:africann-bounces at afrinic.net] De la part de Vika Mpisane
Envoyé : mercredi 15 décembre 2010 12:04
À : africann at afrinic.net
Objet : RE: [AfrICANN-discuss] AFRALO - AfrIC ANN joint meeting

Dear Tijani,

I still think your explanation is incorrect because while I attended the ICANN Cartagena meeting, I did not attend the African community meeting there. So to say these are statements of the Africans who attended ICANN Cartagena is incorrect. As a matter of fact, I doubt that my employer would have allowed me to be part of such a statement.

In particular, I personally have some reservations with your statement relating to African participation at ICANN. I find it to be re-inventing the wheel which was tried in the past & did not succeed. Effective participation at ICANN or any similar institution should not be made to depend on ICANN funding or on ICANN supporting interested African participants. 

In fact, I’m particularly disturbed by the statement that ICANN should increase the number of ICANN fellows from Africa. Shouldn’t it be the interested African parties that drive & fund their participation at ICANN? As much as ICANN offers travel fellowships, I can’t see a valid and justifiable ground on which ICANN would want to give Africa preference. 

It should be African individual or his institution that takes interest in ICANN processes, and then support the individual by giving them time and resources to participate in ICANN processes. We can’t require ICANN to fund African governments or institutions so that they can participate in ICANN processes. Sadly this Cartagena statement intimates that this is what Africans want. I can’t disagree any more.

Also, let’s do away with the attitude that you can only participate in ICANN processes by going to ICANN meetings. What about the ICANN mailing lists where detailed discussions happen in between ICANN meetings? You hardly see African participation in such open processes. 

For example, the gNSO launched an open Vertical Integration WG – it was open to everybody, but I was only aware of Baudouin Schombe & myself (as an observer) participating there from Africa. You can’t blame Africa’s absence from such an important WG as down to lack of capacity. The new gTLDs are a known and understood process, and Africans had every capacity to understand the issues and make contributions, but as before, there was very limited African participation.

There’s also the experience of ICANN fellows from Africa: it is often usual that you will see a good number of ICANN-funded African fellows in some meetings, but then you never see the majority of them anywhere or involved in other ICANN processes in between ICANN meetings. I’m really convinced that the absence of a strong African voice in most ICANN processes is not about capacity building but is about the reluctance of African individuals and their institutions to use their own resources to make an impact. Again, I must emphasize that you can very well make meaningful contributions in ICANN processes without having to travel there in person.

Also, I’m concerned that while the participation statement suggests feasible ways of encouraging participation, I just can’t see why it should be ICANN that funds most of these means. In fact, I think it should be the party feeling left out of the ICANN processes that should fund these means; it should not be ICANN!

I, therefore, would like to object strongly to the participation statement of “African representatives attending the ICANN Cartagena meeting”. I propose that it be amended to reflect that not all Africans  who attended ICANN Cartagena attended the African community meeting because I’m convinced that even if I attended, I would not have agreed with most of the contents of the statement.

Regards,

Vika Mpisane

ZADNA

+27 11 275 0082

From: africann-bounces at afrinic.net [mailto:africann-bounces at afrinic.net] On Behalf Of Tijani BEN JEMAA
Sent: 14 December 2010 08:22 PM
To: 'Dr Yassin Mshana'
Cc: africann at afrinic.net
Subject: RE: [AfrICANN-discuss] AFRALO - AfrIC ANN joint meeting

Dear Yassin,

Nobody said that the statement we adopted in Cartagena was adopted by the whole African community, but by the members of the ICANN African community attending ICANN meeting in Cartagena, exactly like the one adopted in Brussels, that was clearly presented as the statement of the ICANN African community members attending the Brussels meeting. 

I just sent the text of the 2 statements adopted in Cartagena. Please read them, and tell me your remarks that I will record for any further initiative. 

I hope you will volunteer in the future to help in such initiative  

Many thanks for your interest.

Best regards

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Tijani BEN JEMAA

Executive Director 

Mediterranean Federation of Internet Associations

Phone : + 216 70 825 231

Mobile : + 216 98 330 114

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De : Dr Yassin Mshana [mailto:ymshana2003 at gmail.com] 
Envoyé : mardi 14 décembre 2010 15:21
À : tijani.benjemaa at fmai.org
Cc : africann at afrinic.net
Objet : [AfrICANN-discuss] AFRALO - AfrIC ANN joint meeting

Dear Tijani,

I saw the Call for the meeting to discuss African issues as described below. 

I wish to register my congratulations for having such a meeting.

I am however concerned with 2 main things:

1.	Did the African Region participants at the ICANN meeting have the opinion of all Africans on the issues discussed?
2.	Will the decisions or recommendations during the meeting have the consent of Africans?

An African colleague raised this concern with me for my observations which is that: A small group of Africans can meet and discuss issues and even make recommendations but those will not represent the opinion of Africans unless a Consultation Process involving the whole community takes place. This is in line with the Policy Development Process which the Internet community adheres to.

Lastly, will you please share with the rest of Africans the deliberations from that Group meeting. However, that does not mean that the process to come to that point is acceptable. 

In my opinion that will look like hijacking the African Community by a group of representatives at the ICANN meeting.

I look forward to seeing the proceedings of that meeting for information purposes.

Kind regards

Yassin Mshana

(tz)

Dear all,

Continuing on the Brussels initiative, I’m pleased to invite you to the AFRALO – AfrICANN joint meeting that will be held in Cartagena, Colombia, on Tuesday 7 December 2010 at 14:00.
The topics for this meeting will be:
•       Follow-up on of the African community statement on the support to be provided to the new gTLD applicants who require assistance for applying for and operating new gTLD in light of the ICANN board decisions last October.
•       Participation of the African community in the ICANN policy development

 We will also welcome the new NomCom Chair Adam Peak who wanted to address our community. He will be accompanied by a number of the NomCom members.

Please pass the information to all your networks, and we will be honoured to see you tomorrow discussing those 2 very important issues.

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