[AfrICANN-discuss] On dot.africa

Abebe Mebrate abebemebrate at yahoo.com
Tue Nov 20 08:44:39 SAST 2007

  Dear All,
 First I would like to thank Eric, because he wrote part of my feeling. May be this is my first email to this group. Among all interesting emails in this list, dot Africa case creates some sort of misunderstanding.  
 As my opinion, it's better if we work the proposal rather than the owner. In one way or the other the resource is for Africans.
    So, rather than reflecting personal ideas and killing our precious time let’s see the proposed structure, its contents, see its benefits to Africa, work on how to make business and make the service real soon.
"Eric M.K Osiakwan" <emko at internetresearch.com.gh> wrote: As a rule of thumb, i think we should excercise decorum on the exchanges and we can still express our views without using foul language which really does not move us forward. 

Back to the issue, i think we have all expressed interested in working on a consolidated proposal going forward which means that even if not on this list, those who have propsoal must consolidate in a mutual way and then get the communities involvement to ensure owership and equity. 

Please, we as Africans must stop fighting among oursleves, otherwise the real enemy advances in laughter...whiles we mark time.

Eric here

On 18 Nov 2007, at 10:20, Njeri Rionge wrote:

 I like this approach. Any suggestions on how best to move forward.
 At this stage I want to take a back seat as this may play on possible conflicts of interests for me.
 On 11/18/07 1:14 AM, "Dr Yassin Mshana" <ymshana2003 at gmail.com> wrote:
 Dear all of us,
 I, as part of the African community is very concerned about what this discussion is heading to -  concession and clarity is all is needed here otherwise a door will be open for a dispute even before the Dot Africa comes into being. 
 It seems that the debate is now becoming personal at the expense of the community. 
 I can see from the angle I am looking at this issue that  there is a danger of diluting the role that the representatives of African community in this activity. It is obvious that most of the activities are carried out voluntarily and some of the roles holders are paid for sponsoring organisations or governments or their businesses. In that case, stakeholder-ship  may be polarised  by the perceived benefits. We have to build a foundation for  transparency and accountability;but this may just be a dream if there are internal forces that may work against what needs to be achieved for the benefit of the society or community whichever case. 
 The Internet phenomenon is changing this world  rapidly more  than any other evolution or revolution that happened to in the human history - it  is a technological invention will  benefit  all concerned - the challenge is to balance profit and the social responsibility that comes with it........? 
 The saga that is about to emerge about this Dot Africa can be a recipe for undesirable stumbling block that the community or Society would not wish to be affected by.
 That is my observation and a request for a resolution at a pre-saga stage of this process. 
 Positive representation of the African community is a role not a choice nor is it a personal action - otherwise a slippery slope is the reward to which Africans would not like to be pulled or pushed to.....
 On 17/11/2007, support <support.dotafrica at gmail.com> wrote:
 Your response sounds like political babble, contradictory 
 and inflammatory.
 1) AfriNIC has not chosen to make anything public. All mailing 
    has what is called "achieves" which are publicly available 
 This statement is contradictory. I do not see the 
 point of obscuring the thread, while all of the email thread 
 should be transparent.
 for anyone. AfriNIC hosts several mailing lists among which africann at afrinic.net. 
    See: http://www.afrinic.net/mailinglist.htm for details
 2) I will really advise you to refrain your constant agitation on 
    this list about dotAfrica.
 I do not appreciate the petty threat implied by your statement.  
 The information I have conveyed regarding the .Africa so far on this 
 list has been informative, providing status updates and my comments 
 have had consistent positive responses.  
 It was my understanding that Afrinic was brought in to provide a
 democratic and not fascist platform to bully individuals who do not 
 comply with Afrinic's edict.
  I don't personally see any initiative
    around ".Africa" which can succeed in margin of the bottom up 
    and transparent approach which are principles that this community
    is build on. 
 I am surprised to learn that you have  'this community'  that owns 
 the AFRICAN continent.  Some of us work to be inclusive and not divisive. 
 It is my opinion that cooperation and not competition is the formula required
 for success in Africa; based on truth, justice and democracy.
 I am part of the African community, if you do not wish to cooperate, then all 
 is fair in love and war, may the best initiative win! 
 - a. 
 At 15:10 16/11/2007 -0800, Sophia B wrote:
 Dear Anna Richel, AfriNic 
 Someone brought the posting below to my attention.  
 I believe 'Afrinic' was chose as a platform  for discussions associated with the creation of the Afri-ICANN group which I was also instrumental in pushing for the set up when I joined GNSO/ICANN and we are all benefiting from these discussions. 
 Given the debates we had on dot.africa the past few weeks, I was not sure why Afrinic has chosen to be selective in optimizing the information below to be posted on the Internet rather than post the whole discussion to ensure the various responses are fairly represented.  It would appear that Afrinic is opportunistic and exploitative and I give it a reasonable double that the intention is not that. 
 I would therefore, appreciate if Afrinic would take immediate steps to make the correction.
 Kind regards,
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