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[rpd] [Board-Discuss] Call for Action: Modernizing the AFRINIC Policy Manual
Jaco Kroon
jaco at uls.co.za
Fri Oct 10 12:49:34 UTC 2025
Hi,
On 2025/10/10 14:43, jordi.palet--- via RPD wrote:
> When you sign the service agreement to obtain resources in any RIR,
> you accept to be bind to the policy manual which is a “live law”, it
> gets updated at any time and changes apply to all. Otherwise, it will
> be useless to have a PDP to update the policy manual. So clearly yes
> to your point 1 and 2.
This is actively under dispute in court. So clearly not so clearly :).
I'm going to refrain from comment on the rest of your response, but do
take note of the content.
Thank you for the engagement.
Kind regards,
Jaco
>
> If there was a right to leasing (which was not the case), and policy
> change to avoid that, it can be enforced, also in the other way around.
>
> There is not way, following the PDP, we can do a “reassessment” of the
> PDWG opinion, and you also know that it will be difficult to have
> everyone agreeing. That why the decisions are based in consensus not
> voting, and consensus has been already determined by the chairs.
>
> Delaying the decision for the ratification is a very ugly manipulation
> of the process because then it means the time expires and the policies
> are enforced back to the list. This will mean we can’t trust on the
> new board, which will be a very bad situation.
>
> Regards,
> Jordi
>
> @jordipalet
>
>
>> El 10 oct 2025, a las 3:12, Jaco Kroon <jaco at uls.co.za> escribió:
>>
>> Hi Raymond,
>>
>> Jordi is right in that once policies have been passed to the board
>> it's not really trivial for them to push it back to the PDP, and
>> Jordi is also right in that "what gives them the right?" (which is
>> what I paraphrased from his writing). That's a very valid question.
>>
>> I would personally rather have the board be on the side of caution,
>> and send everything back to the chairs to revalidate, as new inputs
>> from the last couple of years may very well result in a different
>> impact assessment.
>>
>> I do also think that going forward we need to have a legal assessment
>> on all new policies too - even if (in my made up estimation) the far
>> bulk of policies will not have legal implications, however, contracts
>> may be impacted by policies. Specifically, some of the sticky points
>> that came up in discussion:
>>
>> 1. Can rule/policy changes be enforced retroactively?
>> 2. If a contract specifically states you're allowed to do xyz, does
>> that preclude everything else, or is only what is specifically
>> precluded contractually precluded?
>>
>> To make this even more sticky, let's say that a new policy takes away
>> a right you previously had (implied or otherwise, for example, the
>> topic of whether you're allowed to lease/sell/broker Afrinic IPv4
>> space, which is hotly debated with some saying you're allowed to and
>> some saying you're not - I have my opinions on this but that's
>> orthogonal to discussion I'm trying to have so please treat it as an
>> example and not the topic), is that enforceable?
>>
>> What if a new policy/rule gives you a new right you didn't have
>> previously?
>>
>> Clearly there are potentially legal implications here that can (and
>> plainly has) negatively impacted the company (Afrinic). And
>> hopefully it's clear that the answers are not clear cut black and
>> white, even though we'd like them to be.
>>
>> I think given the above a pause is in order to allow a re-assessment
>> of all policies that has been submitted to board for ratification.
>>
>> I would also like to know if there is a list of such policies, and
>> where it can be found, or if one of the staff members are possibly in
>> a position to provide such a list, along with the wording impact on
>> the CPM and the impact assessments that were provided.
>>
>> This should allow the PDWG to quickly state "we're OK with these
>> proceeding, we'd like these back" etc ... assuming no one points out
>> a policy issue with what I'm proposing.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Jaco
>>
>> On 2025/10/10 10:43, Raymond Mamattah wrote:
>>> Great discussions!
>>>
>>> My one cent is that due to the impasse we have had, which is due
>>> partly to AFRINIC's own by-laws/policies, I think the Board would
>>> have to look critically and with multiple checks before ratifying
>>> any policy.
>>>
>>> I also think we should not push for a policy that's not already
>>> passed to be hurriedly ratified. Ideally such policies should go
>>> through "public comments" for critical checks before being passed on
>>> for ratification.
>>>
>>> Care must be taken so we don't have a "stone-around our neck to make
>>> us easily sink" again.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Raymond Mamattah
>>> Accra, Ghana 🇬🇭
>>>
>>> On Fri, 10 Oct 2025, 08:10 Jaco Kroon, <jaco at uls.co.za> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Jordi,
>>>
>>> I fully agree with what you say here.
>>>
>>> There are however pending disputes regarding legitimacy of a
>>> couple of members who could use the specific policy to sidestep
>>> the issue. The policy needs to be adjusted to ensure that only
>>> members who's not only in good standing, but who is fully
>>> compliant with existing policies and where there are no ongoing
>>> disputes/court cases etc ... are allowed to transfer out.
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>> Jaco
>>>
>>> On 2025/10/09 17:10, jordi.palet--- via RPD wrote:
>>>> I don’t think membership status has anything to do with PDP.
>>>>
>>>> Ideally PDP is contributed by many members actively
>>>> participating, but I think this is not the case (not only in
>>>> Afrinic, also in general in other RIRs).
>>>>
>>>> Even if I personally disagree with the transfer policy that got
>>>> consensus declared, I think it should be ratified immediately,
>>>> because implementation takes many months (as experienced by
>>>> other RIRs). In that period, we still have the chance to
>>>> improve it, if the community believe that needs to be done.
>>>> Then small implementation changes can often be done very quickly.
>>>>
>>>> This is the same for any policy that reached consensus, even
>>>> for the complete policy manual. It is a “live law”, the
>>>> community has the chance to*always* change or improve things.
>>>> What it will be useless and long time consuming is when
>>>> something that reached consensus (and had a positive impact
>>>> analisys) is returned to the list to re-start again the full
>>>> process. Again, if something can be improved, let’s do it based
>>>> on the already approved text, not from scracth.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Jordi
>>>>
>>>> @jordipalet
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> El 9 oct 2025, a las 6:42, Jaco Kroon <jaco at uls.co.za>
>>>>> <mailto:jaco at uls.co.za> escribió:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> That policy specifically may be one we may want to hold off
>>>>> until current membership status has been sorted out first. Or
>>>>> at least the policy should be amended to compensate for what
>>>>> we've learned in the last five years.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>> Jaco
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2025/10/09 02:21, Emmanuel Vitus wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Good to see the list active again. Hopefully we can keep the
>>>>>> energy focused this time and not fall back into the long
>>>>>> circular debates we had in the past.
>>>>>> It could help to have a simple matrix showing which proposals
>>>>>> can be ratified quickly with little or no cost and which ones
>>>>>> may need more time or legal review. A timeline would also be
>>>>>> useful to follow progress taking into account the Board
>>>>>> comments and the steps before ratification.
>>>>>> The transfer policy should move forward as soon as
>>>>>> possible, my 2cents.
>>>>>> Cheers!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Emmanuel
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Le jeu. 9 oct. 2025 à 00:18, jordi.palet--- via RPD
>>>>>> <rpd at afrinic.net> a écrit :
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Caleb,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The proposals that I refer:
>>>>>> 1) Already reached consensus.
>>>>>> 2) Already were sent to the board with the relevant reports.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So from that perspective, with “basically administrative”
>>>>>> I mean that there is not “a lot of other” work to be done
>>>>>> in the proposals. Of course, the board should make sure
>>>>>> that the proposals aren’t against the company, but the
>>>>>> legal implications, operational feasibility, alignment
>>>>>> with the bylaws, etc., was already done because all this
>>>>>> is part of the analysis impact that was prepared *before*
>>>>>> declaring consensus. This is just the way the PDP works,
>>>>>> so we aren’t changing anything.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Saludos,
>>>>>> Jordi
>>>>>>
>>>>>> @jordipalet
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> El 8 oct 2025, a las 18:07, Caleb Ogundele
>>>>>>> <muyiwacaleb at gmail.com> escribió:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Jordi and All,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm happy this list is becoming more active, and it is a
>>>>>>> good thing.
>>>>>>> Responding to @Jordi, I must respectfully differ with
>>>>>>> Jordi on point one. While I share the desire to see
>>>>>>> pending proposals move forward, I don't believe board
>>>>>>> ratification should be characterized as "basically an
>>>>>>> administrative task that should not take too much time."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Board ratification is a critical governance checkpoint
>>>>>>> where proposals are reviewed for legal implications,
>>>>>>> operational feasibility, and alignment with AFRINIC's
>>>>>>> mission and bylaws. Given that we're emerging from three
>>>>>>> years of limited functionality as a community, I believe
>>>>>>> the Community and the Board deserve adequate time to
>>>>>>> properly review and ratify proposals, especially those
>>>>>>> that may have significant operational or financial
>>>>>>> implications for AFRINIC and its members. Times have
>>>>>>> changed in the last three years and community members
>>>>>>> have different views on certain policies. Rushing this
>>>>>>> process could lead to oversights that create problems
>>>>>>> down the line. Quality should take precedence over speed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Caleb Ogundele*
>>>>>>> /Speaking for myself as a community member
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> /
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 8, 2025 at 6:34 PM jordi.palet--- via RPD
>>>>>>> <rpd at afrinic.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> HI Seun, all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Fully agree with your view. I will add 2 more points:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1) There are several policy proposals that reached
>>>>>>> consensus and are “paused” just waiting for the
>>>>>>> board ratification. I understand the board will be
>>>>>>> very busy, but the ratification is basically an
>>>>>>> administrative task that should not take too much
>>>>>>> time. So please, consider doing so ASAP, so the
>>>>>>> implementation can also be initiated, as I think in
>>>>>>> some cases it may take long time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2) Some of use may need to plan ahead, and buy our
>>>>>>> flights as early as possible (too close to the
>>>>>>> meeting become extremely expensive when traveling
>>>>>>> from abroad) for the next PPM, so it will be good to
>>>>>>> announce firm dates and location as soon as possible.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Those that have policy proposals still under
>>>>>>> discussion really need to have a status summary and
>>>>>>> specially understand if the actual co-chairs will
>>>>>>> continue as suggested, so we can restart our work
>>>>>>> and encourage discussions in the community.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Finally, I don’t think we need a “complete
>>>>>>> modernization of the policy manual”, but instead
>>>>>>> concentrate in review the existing discussion and
>>>>>>> decide if we need to focus on any new topic at the
>>>>>>> time being.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tks!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Saludos,
>>>>>>> Jordi
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> @jordipalet
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> El 8 oct 2025, a las 17:02, Seun Ojedeji
>>>>>>>> <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com> escribió:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hello Ben, RPD
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's good that this discussion is starting up. I
>>>>>>>> don't think anything revolutionary with the rpd
>>>>>>>> needs to happen from the board level at this time.
>>>>>>>> The rpd itself should evolve through policies and
>>>>>>>> while the board indeed has the ability to write a
>>>>>>>> policy when required and in certain circumstances i
>>>>>>>> do think that it isn't necessary at this time. I
>>>>>>>> would suggest the following:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1. Current Co-Chairs continue in their role towards
>>>>>>>> the next Public Policy Meeting (PPM) and they
>>>>>>>> should coordinate on the things Sami mentioned with
>>>>>>>> regards to authors representing their proposal and
>>>>>>>> new proposals as applicable.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2. We usually hold 2 PPMs every year 1 during the
>>>>>>>> AIS and another at the second AFRINIC pubic meeting
>>>>>>>> in the year, it will be good for the Board to
>>>>>>>> provide the rpd with some information on how soon
>>>>>>>> that can happen.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 3. With the recent board election, staff does have
>>>>>>>> significant experience on conducting credible and
>>>>>>>> verifiable election. The Board should leverage on
>>>>>>>> that to organise election of Co-Chairs at the next
>>>>>>>> ppm inline with the CPM. The 2 seats should be
>>>>>>>> filled in a staggered manner
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----
>>>>>>>> Sent from my mobile
>>>>>>>> kindly excuse typos
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 8 Oct 2025, 6:00 pm Ben Roberts - AfriNIC
>>>>>>>> via RPD, <rpd at afrinic.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sami,
>>>>>>>> Thanks for your mail and we appreciate your
>>>>>>>> contributions to PWDG to date and are happy to
>>>>>>>> see you are keen to start it up again. I am
>>>>>>>> replying as a community member, though I am
>>>>>>>> also a board member of AfriNIC.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I feel that as we restart the PWDG process,
>>>>>>>> what is absolutely key is that we get *much
>>>>>>>> more* diversity in that process. My question
>>>>>>>> back to you is to ask, how do we invigorate the
>>>>>>>> process to involve many more key experts in the
>>>>>>>> digital economy of Africa?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Kind regards
>>>>>>>> Ben
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 6 Oct 2025, at 08:08, Sami Salih via Board
>>>>>>>>> <board at afrinic.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *Dear PDWG Community,*
>>>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>>> I hope this message finds you well.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I would like to take this opportunity to
>>>>>>>>> congratulate you all on the successful
>>>>>>>>> election of the AFRINIC Board and the
>>>>>>>>> resumption of its proper functioning. This
>>>>>>>>> milestone marks an important step toward
>>>>>>>>> restoring stability, trust, and continuity in
>>>>>>>>> AFRINIC’s role as the Regional Internet
>>>>>>>>> Registry for Africa. With governance now back
>>>>>>>>> on track, it is the right moment to resume the
>>>>>>>>> Policy Development Process (PDP) and address
>>>>>>>>> the policy gaps that have accumulated during
>>>>>>>>> the past three years of interruption.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As you are aware, over the past three years
>>>>>>>>> AFRINIC has gone through a period of limited
>>>>>>>>> functionality, and the Policy Development
>>>>>>>>> Process (PDP) has been effectively paused.
>>>>>>>>> During this time, the global Internet number
>>>>>>>>> community has continued to evolve, with
>>>>>>>>> significant policy updates taking place across
>>>>>>>>> the other RIRs. This has created a widening
>>>>>>>>> gap between AFRINIC’s Consolidated Policy
>>>>>>>>> Manual (CPM) and those of our sister RIRs.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In order to restore the momentum of policy
>>>>>>>>> development in our region and to ensure that
>>>>>>>>> AFRINIC’s policy environment remains relevant,
>>>>>>>>> consistent, and globally aligned, I would like
>>>>>>>>> to highlight the following areas where action
>>>>>>>>> is needed:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *Previous PDWG Co-Chairs*
>>>>>>>>> While their terms have now ended, we request
>>>>>>>>> that the most recent PDWG Co-Chairs prepare a
>>>>>>>>> short report summarizing the last set of
>>>>>>>>> policy proposals that were under discussion
>>>>>>>>> before the process stalled. We further
>>>>>>>>> encourage the original authors of those drafts
>>>>>>>>> to resubmit them for renewed community review,
>>>>>>>>> or alternatively, invite any community member
>>>>>>>>> to take initiative to re-submit and champion them.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *AFRINIC Board*
>>>>>>>>> We call on the Board to formally publish a
>>>>>>>>> community call for modernizing the AFRINIC
>>>>>>>>> Policy Manual. This would include identifying
>>>>>>>>> and prioritizing areas where policy alignment
>>>>>>>>> with other RIRs is needed (e.g., IPv4 transfer
>>>>>>>>> frameworks, IPv6 allocation criteria, RPKI
>>>>>>>>> adoption, Whois/privacy reforms, and
>>>>>>>>> membership/resource governance models). Such a
>>>>>>>>> call would help set a clear direction and
>>>>>>>>> provide legitimacy to the process of catching
>>>>>>>>> up with global best practices.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *PDWG Community*
>>>>>>>>> Most importantly, we urge all community
>>>>>>>>> members to actively re-engage in the PDP by
>>>>>>>>> discussing any submitted proposals, providing
>>>>>>>>> constructive feedback, and enriching the
>>>>>>>>> drafts with insights drawn from operational
>>>>>>>>> experience. The strength of AFRINIC’s PDP has
>>>>>>>>> always been rooted in the diversity and
>>>>>>>>> expertise of its community, and your
>>>>>>>>> participation will be crucial in shaping the
>>>>>>>>> future of Internet number resource management
>>>>>>>>> in our region.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This is a collective responsibility, and now
>>>>>>>>> is the right moment to re-energize our PDP and
>>>>>>>>> demonstrate the resilience of the AFRINIC
>>>>>>>>> community.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> With Regards.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *Sami Salih*, PhD (ICT), PMP®
>>>>>>>>> Assistant Professor, Sudan University of
>>>>>>>>> Science and Technology
>>>>>>>>> Tel: (249) 122045707
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>>>> board-leave at afrinic.net
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