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<p>Hi,</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2025/10/10 14:43, jordi.palet--- via
RPD wrote:<br>
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When you sign the service agreement to obtain resources in any
RIR, you accept to be bind to the policy manual which is a “live
law”, it gets updated at any time and changes apply to all.
Otherwise, it will be useless to have a PDP to update the policy
manual. So clearly yes to your point 1 and 2.</blockquote>
<p>This is actively under dispute in court. So clearly not so
clearly :).</p>
<p>I'm going to refrain from comment on the rest of your response,
but do take note of the content.<br>
<br>
Thank you for the engagement.<br>
<br>
Kind regards,<br>
Jaco</p>
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<div>If there was a right to leasing (which was not the case), and
policy change to avoid that, it can be enforced, also in the
other way around.</div>
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</div>
<div>There is not way, following the PDP, we can do a
“reassessment” of the PDWG opinion, and you also know that it
will be difficult to have everyone agreeing. That why the
decisions are based in consensus not voting, and consensus has
been already determined by the chairs.</div>
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<div>Delaying the decision for the ratification is a very ugly
manipulation of the process because then it means the time
expires and the policies are enforced back to the list. This
will mean we can’t trust on the new board, which will be a very
bad situation.</div>
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<div>Regards,<br>
Jordi<br>
<br>
@jordipalet<br>
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<div>El 10 oct 2025, a las 3:12, Jaco Kroon
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jaco@uls.co.za"><jaco@uls.co.za></a> escribió:</div>
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<p>Hi Raymond,</p>
<p>Jordi is right in that once policies have been
passed to the board it's not really trivial for them
to push it back to the PDP, and Jordi is also right
in that "what gives them the right?" (which is what
I paraphrased from his writing). That's a very
valid question.<br>
<br>
I would personally rather have the board be on the
side of caution, and send everything back to the
chairs to revalidate, as new inputs from the last
couple of years may very well result in a different
impact assessment.<br>
<br>
I do also think that going forward we need to have a
legal assessment on all new policies too - even if
(in my made up estimation) the far bulk of policies
will not have legal implications, however, contracts
may be impacted by policies. Specifically, some of
the sticky points that came up in discussion:<br>
<br>
1. Can rule/policy changes be enforced
retroactively?<br>
2. If a contract specifically states you're allowed
to do xyz, does that preclude everything else, or is
only what is specifically precluded contractually
precluded?</p>
<p>To make this even more sticky, let's say that a new
policy takes away a right you previously had
(implied or otherwise, for example, the topic of
whether you're allowed to lease/sell/broker Afrinic
IPv4 space, which is hotly debated with some saying
you're allowed to and some saying you're not - I
have my opinions on this but that's orthogonal to
discussion I'm trying to have so please treat it as
an example and not the topic), is that enforceable?</p>
<p>What if a new policy/rule gives you a new right you
didn't have previously?</p>
<p>Clearly there are potentially legal implications
here that can (and plainly has) negatively impacted
the company (Afrinic). And hopefully it's clear
that the answers are not clear cut black and white,
even though we'd like them to be.<br>
<br>
I think given the above a pause is in order to allow
a re-assessment of all policies that has been
submitted to board for ratification.<br>
<br>
I would also like to know if there is a list of such
policies, and where it can be found, or if one of
the staff members are possibly in a position to
provide such a list, along with the wording impact
on the CPM and the impact assessments that were
provided.</p>
<p>This should allow the PDWG to quickly state "we're
OK with these proceeding, we'd like these back" etc
... assuming no one points out a policy issue with
what I'm proposing.<br>
<br>
Kind regards,<br>
Jaco</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2025/10/10 10:43,
Raymond Mamattah wrote:<br>
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<div>Great discussions!</div>
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<div dir="auto">My one cent is that due to the
impasse we have had, which is due partly to
AFRINIC's own by-laws/policies, I think the
Board would have to look critically and with
multiple checks before ratifying any policy.</div>
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<div dir="auto">I also think we should not push
for a policy that's not already passed to be
hurriedly ratified. Ideally such policies should
go through "public comments" for critical checks
before being passed on for ratification. </div>
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<div dir="auto">Care must be taken so we don't
have a "stone-around our neck to make us easily
sink" again. </div>
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<div dir="auto">Regards, </div>
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<div data-smartmail="gmail_signature">---<br>
Raymond Mamattah<br>
Accra, Ghana 🇬🇭 </div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, 10 Oct
2025, 08:10 Jaco Kroon, <<a
href="mailto:jaco@uls.co.za"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">jaco@uls.co.za</a>>
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<p>Hi Jordi,</p>
<p>I fully agree with what you say here.</p>
<p>There are however pending disputes
regarding legitimacy of a couple of members
who could use the specific policy to
sidestep the issue. The policy needs to be
adjusted to ensure that only members who's
not only in good standing, but who is fully
compliant with existing policies and where
there are no ongoing disputes/court cases
etc ... are allowed to transfer out.</p>
<p>Kind regards,<br>
Jaco </p>
<div>On 2025/10/09 17:10, jordi.palet--- via
RPD wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite"> I don’t think
membership status has anything to do with
PDP.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Ideally PDP is contributed by many
members actively participating, but I
think this is not the case (not only in
Afrinic, also in general in other RIRs).</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Even if I personally disagree with the
transfer policy that got consensus
declared, I think it should be ratified
immediately, because implementation takes
many months (as experienced by other
RIRs). In that period, we still have the
chance to improve it, if the community
believe that needs to be done. Then small
implementation changes can often be done
very quickly.</div>
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<div>This is the same for any policy that
reached consensus, even for the complete
policy manual. It is a “live law”, the
community has the chance to*always* change
or improve things. What it will be useless
and long time consuming is when something
that reached consensus (and had a positive
impact analisys) is returned to the list
to re-start again the full process. Again,
if something can be improved, let’s do it
based on the already approved text, not
from scracth.</div>
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<div>Regards,<br>
Jordi<br>
<br>
@jordipalet<br>
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<div>El 9 oct 2025, a las 6:42, Jaco
Kroon <a
href="mailto:jaco@uls.co.za"
target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true"><jaco@uls.co.za></a>
escribió:</div>
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<div>
<div>
<p>Hi,<br>
</p>
<p>That policy specifically may be
one we may want to hold off
until current membership status
has been sorted out first. Or
at least the policy should be
amended to compensate for what
we've learned in the last five
years.<br>
<br>
Kind regards,<br>
Jaco<br>
<br>
On 2025/10/09 02:21, Emmanuel
Vitus wrote:</p>
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style="font-size:small"><font
face="trebuchet ms, sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34)">Good
to see the list active
again. Hopefully we can
keep the energy focused
this time and not fall
back into the long
circular debates we had
in the past.</span><br
style="color:rgb(34,34,34)">
<span
style="color:rgb(34,34,34)">It could help to have a simple matrix
showing which proposals
can be ratified quickly
with little or no cost
and which ones may need
more time or legal
review. A timeline would
also be useful to follow
progress taking into
account the Board
comments and the steps
before ratification.</span><br
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<span
style="color:rgb(34,34,34)">The transfer policy should move forward as
soon as possible, my
2cents.</span><br
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<span
style="color:rgb(34,34,34)">Cheers! </span><br
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<span
style="color:rgb(34,34,34)">- Emmanuel</span></font></div>
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class="gmail_attr">Le jeu. 9
oct. 2025 à 00:18,
jordi.palet--- via RPD <<a
href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> a écrit :<br>
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<div>Hi Caleb,
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</div>
<div>The proposals that I
refer:</div>
<div>1) Already reached
consensus.</div>
<div>2) Already were sent
to the board with the
relevant reports.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>So from that
perspective, with
“basically
administrative” I mean
that there is not “a lot
of other” work to be
done in the proposals.
Of course, the board
should make sure that
the proposals aren’t
against the company, but
the legal implications,
operational feasibility,
alignment with the
bylaws, etc., was
already done because all
this is part of the
analysis impact that was
prepared *before*
declaring consensus.
This is just the way the
PDP works, so we aren’t
changing anything.</div>
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<div>Saludos,<br>
Jordi<br>
<br>
@jordipalet<br>
<br>
</div>
</div>
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<div>El 8 oct 2025,
a las 18:07, Caleb
Ogundele <<a
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moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">muyiwacaleb@gmail.com</a>>
escribió:</div>
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<div>Hi Jordi
and All,<br>
<br>
I'm happy this
list
is becoming
more active,
and it is a
good thing. <br>
Responding to
@Jordi, I must
respectfully
differ with
Jordi on point
one. While I
share the
desire to see
pending
proposals move
forward, I
don't believe
board
ratification
should be
characterized
as "basically
an
administrative
task that
should not
take too much
time."</div>
<div>
<p>Board
ratification
is a critical
governance
checkpoint
where
proposals are
reviewed for
legal
implications,
operational
feasibility,
and alignment
with AFRINIC's
mission and
bylaws. Given
that we're
emerging from
three years of
limited
functionality
as a
community, I
believe the
Community and
the Board
deserve
adequate time
to properly
review and
ratify
proposals,
especially
those that may
have
significant
operational or
financial
implications
for AFRINIC
and its
members. Times
have changed
in the last
three years
and community
members have
different
views on
certain
policies.
Rushing this
process could
lead to
oversights
that create
problems down
the line.
Quality should
take
precedence
over speed. </p>
</div>
<div><b>Caleb
Ogundele</b><br>
<i>Speaking
for myself as
a community
member<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
</i></div>
<div><br>
</div>
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class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Oct 8, 2025 at 6:34 PM jordi.palet--- via RPD
<<a
href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div>HI Seun,
all,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Fully
agree with
your view. I
will add 2
more points:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>1) There
are several
policy
proposals that
reached
consensus and
are “paused”
just waiting
for the board
ratification.
I understand
the board will
be very busy,
but the
ratification
is basically
an
administrative
task that
should not
take too much
time. So
please,
consider doing
so ASAP, so
the
implementation
can also be
initiated, as
I think in
some cases it
may take long
time.</div>
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</div>
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<div>2) Some
of use may
need to plan
ahead, and buy
our flights as
early as
possible (too
close to the
meeting become
extremely
expensive when
traveling from
abroad) for
the next PPM,
so it will be
good to
announce firm
dates and
location as
soon as
possible.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Those
that have
policy
proposals
still under
discussion
really need to
have a status
summary and
specially
understand if
the actual
co-chairs will
continue as
suggested, so
we can restart
our work and
encourage
discussions in
the community.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Finally,
I don’t think
we need a
“complete
modernization
of the policy
manual”, but
instead
concentrate in
review the
existing
discussion and
decide if we
need to focus
on any new
topic at the
time being.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Tks!</div>
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<div>Saludos,<br>
Jordi<br>
<br>
@jordipalet<br>
<br>
</div>
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2025, a las
17:02, Seun
Ojedeji <<a
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escribió:</div>
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<div>Hello
Ben, RPD </div>
<div
dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div
dir="auto">It's
good that this
discussion is
starting up. I
don't think
anything
revolutionary
with the rpd
needs to
happen from
the board
level at this
time. The rpd
itself should
evolve through
policies and
while the
board indeed
has the
ability to
write a policy
when required
and in
certain circumstances
i do think
that it isn't
necessary at
this time. I
would suggest
the following:</div>
<div
dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div
dir="auto">1.
Current
Co-Chairs
continue in
their role
towards the
next Public
Policy Meeting
(PPM) and they
should
coordinate on
the things
Sami mentioned
with regards
to authors
representing
their proposal
and new
proposals as
applicable.</div>
<div
dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div
dir="auto">2.
We usually
hold 2 PPMs
every year 1
during the AIS
and another at
the second
AFRINIC pubic
meeting in the
year, it will
be good for
the Board to
provide the
rpd with some
information on
how soon that
can happen.</div>
<div
dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div
dir="auto">3.
With the
recent board
election,
staff does
have
significant
experience on
conducting
credible and
verifiable
election. The
Board should
leverage on
that to
organise
election of
Co-Chairs at
the next ppm
inline with
the CPM. The 2
seats should
be filled in a
staggered
manner</div>
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dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div
dir="auto">Regards</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>----<br>
Sent from my
mobile<br>
kindly excuse
typos </div>
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class="gmail_attr">On Wed, 8 Oct 2025, 6:00 pm Ben Roberts - AfriNIC via
RPD, <<a
href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div
dir="auto">Sami,
<div>Thanks
for your mail
and we
appreciate
your
contributions
to PWDG to
date and are
happy to see
you are keen
to start it up
again. I am
replying as a
community
member, though
I am also a
board member
of AfriNIC. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I feel
that as we
restart the
PWDG process,
what is
absolutely key
is that we get
<b>much more</b>
diversity in
that process.
My question
back to you is
to ask, how do
we invigorate
the process to
involve many
more key
experts in the
digital
economy of
Africa?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Kind
regards</div>
<div>Ben</div>
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from my iPhone</div>
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08:08, Sami
Salih via
Board <<a
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Community,</b></div>
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I would like
to take this
opportunity to
congratulate
you all on the
successful
election of
the AFRINIC
Board and the
resumption of
its proper
functioning.
This milestone
marks an
important step
toward
restoring
stability,
trust, and
continuity in
AFRINIC’s role
as the
Regional
Internet
Registry for
Africa. With
governance now
back on track,
it is the
right moment
to resume the
Policy
Development
Process (PDP)
and address
the policy
gaps that have
accumulated
during the
past three
years of
interruption.</div>
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As you are
aware, over
the past three
years AFRINIC
has gone
through a
period of
limited
functionality,
and the Policy
Development
Process (PDP)
has been
effectively
paused. During
this time, the
global
Internet
number
community has
continued to
evolve, with
significant
policy updates
taking place
across the
other RIRs.
This has
created a
widening gap
between
AFRINIC’s
Consolidated
Policy Manual
(CPM) and
those of our
sister RIRs.</div>
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In order to
restore the
momentum of
policy
development in
our region and
to ensure that
AFRINIC’s
policy
environment
remains
relevant,
consistent,
and globally
aligned, I
would like to
highlight the
following
areas where
action is
needed:</div>
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While their
terms have now
ended, we
request that
the most
recent PDWG
Co-Chairs
prepare a
short report
summarizing
the last set
of policy
proposals that
were under
discussion
before the
process
stalled. We
further
encourage the
original
authors of
those drafts
to resubmit
them for
renewed
community
review, or
alternatively,
invite any
community
member to take
initiative to
re-submit and
champion them.</div>
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We call on the
Board to
formally
publish a
community call
for
modernizing
the AFRINIC
Policy Manual.
This would
include
identifying
and
prioritizing
areas where
policy
alignment with
other RIRs is
needed (e.g.,
IPv4 transfer
frameworks,
IPv6
allocation
criteria, RPKI
adoption,
Whois/privacy
reforms, and
membership/resource
governance
models). Such
a call would
help set a
clear
direction and
provide
legitimacy to
the process of
catching up
with global
best
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Most
importantly,
we urge all
community
members to
actively
re-engage in
the PDP by
discussing any
submitted
proposals,
providing
constructive
feedback, and
enriching the
drafts with
insights drawn
from
operational
experience.
The strength
of AFRINIC’s
PDP has always
been rooted in
the diversity
and expertise
of its
community, and
your
participation
will be
crucial in
shaping the
future of
Internet
number
resource
management in
our region.</div>
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This is a
collective
responsibility,
and now is the
right moment
to re-energize
our PDP and
demonstrate
the resilience
of the AFRINIC
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With Regards.</div>
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