[rpd] Summary of Proposal AFRINIC Number Resources Transfer Policy AFPUB-2020-GEN-006-DRAFT02

Fri Jan 7 20:14:56 UTC 2022

> On Jan 5, 2022, at 13:25 , Murungi Daniel via RPD <rpd at afrinic.net> wrote:
> 
> Dear Serah,
> 
> 
> Help me understand - Is this a bad thing when you consider the fact that as an RIR, AFRINIC got the cigarette butt/scraps of global IP allocations?

Well first, your assumption isn’t entirely true. AFRINIC was the last RIR created and development of the internet in Africa has lagged behind most of the rest of the world. That’s simply fact of history and not some sort of slight for which the world owes Africa some form of recompense.

When you come late to the party, do you complain that the host’s selection of liquor has become limited?

> Are we not good stewards (AFRINIC + community) when we ensure that the meager precious number resources we were allocated are kept and used within the region?

When we do so in such a way that it prevents the influx of additional addresses into the region due to the interaction between our chosen policies and that of other regions that would be willing to trade addresses with AFRINIC, yes, we are in fact failing in our role as stewards.

> Doesn’t an influx of number resources into our region translate into increased IP based services and growth of the Internet within our region?

Indeed, it would. That’s why this policy is such a bad idea… It will prevent exactly such an event from occurring.

Owen

> 
> 
> Regards,
> Daniel
> 
> 
>> On Jan 6, 2022, at 12:05 AM, Serah Eazy Oluwabunmi <seraheazy at gmail.com <mailto:seraheazy at gmail.com>> wrote:
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>> The problem here is not the set of rules, but rather the fact that the provisions of the policy are not in line with its main goal. The Rules, conditions and procedures stated in this proposal for the transfers are limiting IP distribution in every aspect while the goal claims increasing the flow of resources within the region.
>> 
>> Regards
>> Oluwabunmi.
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Jan 5, 2022, 7:52 PM Fernando Frediani <fhfrediani at gmail.com <mailto:fhfrediani at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> Exactly, that's my view as well.
>> People seem to not understand what they want to discuss. Or perhaps they just are not willing to be submitted to any kind of rules anymore.
>> 
>> There scarce resources being assigned under rules agreed by this forum and people keep believing that once that is done the RIR cannot do anything else and they may use those resources in the way they wish without having to explain anything to anyone.
>> And once they feel any possibility to be questioned for their actions they try to confuse that like if the RIR was going into questions that are not of their business, but the reality is that THEY ARE ! 
>> If resources are used out of the current rules it is the RIR duty to supervise and if necessary revoke such resources. How hard is to understand this business and how all this works ?
>> 
>> If one want transfer resources *under the rules* he must render accounts to the body who assign and revoke those resources and give all necessary information that is required under those rules.
>> 
>> At the end it is always important to remember: those are not your resources and will never be. They are assigned to you for your and your customers usage while they remain needed and justified.
>> 
>> Best regards
>> Fernando
>> 
>> Em 05/01/2022 15:35, Murungi Daniel via RPD escreveu:
>>> Dear Elvis and Cheken,
>>> 
>>> Do you know what an RIR is ? Is AFRINIC an RIR?
>>> 
>>> A quick resource to help you understand what RIRs are and what they do, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regional_Internet_registry <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regional_Internet_registry>.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Daniel
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 5, 2022, at 6:20 PM, Ibeanusi Elvis <ibeanusielvis at gmail.com <mailto:ibeanusielvis at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello all, 
>>>> 
>>>> There is a reason why this policy has been in discussion for a very long time and I emphatically believe that the passing of this policy by the board is a huge mistake as it directly gives an enormous level of authority and bureaucracy to the AFRINIC. Therefore meaning that all transfers will require some type of approval from the AFRINIC when they are just the managers of number resources, and they should just be facilitating a smooth transfer.
>>>> 
>>>> Regards, 
>>>> Elvis. 
>>>> 
>>>> On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 5:29 Cheken Chetty <rameez.chetty at gmail.com <mailto:rameez.chetty at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> Good day all,
>>>> I am against this policy because I feel there is too much power still given to AFRINIC in the transferral of resources. My concern is that AFRINIC may have the tendency to ignore the approval and just impede the transfer process. Clause 3.6 suggests in the end everything must come to AFRINIC's approval when they do not have an authority over the resources.
>>>> Regards
>>>> 
>>>> On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 5:28 PM PDWG Chair <vincent at ngundi.me.ke <mailto:vincent at ngundi.me.ke>> wrote:
>>>>  Dear PDWG, 
>>>> 
>>>> The  summary of the elements that led to the PDWG Chairs decision for the policy  proposal AFRINIC Number Resources Transfer Policy - Policy Proposal AFPUB-2020-GEN-006-DRAFT02 that was discussed during the AFRINIC-34 Public Policy Meeting is as follows:-
>>>> 
>>>> Lack of reciprocity with ARIN was raised and addressed by the authors and members of the PDWG, who mentioned that while the proposal is conservative and aims at protecting the resource pool of AFRINIC, AFRINIC can start with the implementation of resource transfers with those RIRs that have confirmed or do not require reciprocity. The authors also clarified that incoming transfers of legacy resources will be covered by the AFRINIC RSA as the recipient will have to become a member.
>>>> 
>>>> After deliberation, the PDWG Co-chairs announced that having considered the current version of the policy proposal, the deliberations during the  current PPM and the editorial changes that the authors have committed to, they have determined that rough consensus has been reached. The updated version of the policy proposal, with ID AFPUB-2020-GEN-006-DRAFT03, was submitted on 22 Nov 2021 and is available at https://afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2020-gen-006-d3 <https://afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2020-gen-006-d3> . This version of the proposal   will now move to Last Call and the community can further engage in that period. 
>>>> 
>>>> The Last Call starts on 8 December 2021 and will end at 23h59 UTC on 5 January 2022.
>>>> 
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Vincent Ngundi & Darwin Da Costa
>>>> AFRINIC PDWG CO-CHAIRS
>>>> 
>>>> 
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