<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jan 5, 2022, at 13:25 , Murungi Daniel via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" class="">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><span style="font-size: 14px;" class="">Dear Serah,</span><div class=""><span style="font-size: 14px;" class=""><br class=""></span><div class=""><span style="font-size: 14px;" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div class=""><span style="font-size: 14px;" class="">Help me understand - Is this a bad thing when you consider the fact that as an RIR, AFRINIC got the cigarette butt/scraps of global IP allocations?</span></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>Well first, your assumption isn’t entirely true. AFRINIC was the last RIR created and development of the internet in Africa has lagged behind most of the rest of the world. That’s simply fact of history and not some sort of slight for which the world owes Africa some form of recompense.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>When you come late to the party, do you complain that the host’s selection of liquor has become limited?</div><div><br class=""></div><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><span style="font-size: 14px;" class="">Are we not good stewards (AFRINIC + community) when we ensure that the meager precious number resources we were allocated are kept and used within the region?</span></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>When we do so in such a way that it prevents the influx of additional addresses into the region due to the interaction between our chosen policies and that of other regions that would be willing to trade addresses with AFRINIC, yes, we are in fact failing in our role as stewards.</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><span style="font-size: 14px;" class="">Doesn’t an influx of number resources into our region translate into increased IP based services and growth of the Internet within our region?</span></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>Indeed, it would. That’s why this policy is such a bad idea… It will prevent exactly such an event from occurring.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Owen</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><span style="font-size: 14px;" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div class=""><span style="font-size: 14px;" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div class=""><span style="font-size: 14px;" class="">Regards,</span></div><div class=""><span style="font-size: 14px;" class="">Daniel</span></div><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jan 6, 2022, at 12:05 AM, Serah Eazy Oluwabunmi <<a href="mailto:seraheazy@gmail.com" class="">seraheazy@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div class="">The problem here is not the set of rules, but rather the fact that the provisions of the policy are not in line with its main goal. The Rules, conditions and procedures stated in this proposal for the transfers are limiting IP distribution in every aspect while the goal claims increasing the flow of resources within the region.<div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">Regards</div><div dir="auto" class="">Oluwabunmi.</div><br class=""><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jan 5, 2022, 7:52 PM Fernando Frediani <<a href="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com" class="">fhfrediani@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div class=""><p class="">Exactly, that's my view as well.<br class="">
People seem to not understand what they want to discuss. Or
perhaps they just are not willing to be submitted to any kind of
rules anymore.</p><p class="">There scarce resources being assigned under rules agreed by this
forum and people keep believing that once that is done the RIR
cannot do anything else and they may use those resources in the
way they wish without having to explain anything to anyone.<br class="">
And once they feel any possibility to be questioned for their
actions they try to confuse that like if the RIR was going into
questions that are not of their business, but the reality is that
THEY ARE ! <br class="">
If resources are used out of the current rules it is the RIR duty
to supervise and if necessary revoke such resources. How hard is
to understand this business and how all this works ?<br class="">
</p><p class="">If one want transfer resources *under the rules* he must render
accounts to the body who assign and revoke those resources and
give all necessary information that is required under those rules.<br class="">
</p><p class="">At the end it is always important to remember: those are not your
resources and will never be. They are assigned to you for your and
your customers usage while they remain needed and justified.</p><p class="">Best regards<br class="">
Fernando<br class="">
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<div class="">Em 05/01/2022 15:35, Murungi Daniel via
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<span style="font-size:14px" class="">Dear Elvis and Cheken,</span>
<div class=""><span style="font-size:14px" class=""><br class="">
</span></div>
<div class=""><span style="font-size:14px" class="">Do you know
what an RIR is ? Is AFRINIC an RIR?</span></div>
<div class=""><span style="font-size:14px" class=""><br class="">
</span></div>
<div class=""><span style="font-size:14px" class="">A quick
resource to help you understand what RIRs are and what they
do, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regional_Internet_registry" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" class="">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regional_Internet_registry</a>.</span></div>
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<div class=""><span style="font-size:14px" class="">Regards,</span></div>
<div class=""><span style="font-size:14px" class="">Daniel</span></div>
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<div class="">On Jan 5, 2022, at 6:20 PM, Ibeanusi Elvis
<<a href="mailto:ibeanusielvis@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" class="">ibeanusielvis@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:</div>
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<div dir="auto" class="">Hello all, </div>
<div dir="auto" class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div dir="auto" class="">There is a reason why this policy
has been in discussion for a very long time and I
emphatically believe that the passing of this policy by
the board is a huge mistake as it directly gives an
enormous level of authority and bureaucracy to the
AFRINIC. Therefore meaning that all transfers will
require some type of approval from the AFRINIC when they
are just the managers of number resources, and they
should just be facilitating a smooth transfer.<br class="">
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<div dir="auto" class=""><br class="">
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<div dir="auto" class="">Regards, </div>
<div dir="auto" class="">Elvis. </div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Dec 16, 2021
at 5:29 Cheken Chetty <<a href="mailto:rameez.chetty@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" class="">rameez.chetty@gmail.com</a>>
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<div dir="ltr" class="">Good day all,<br class="">
I am against this policy because I feel there is
too much power still given to AFRINIC in the
transferral of resources. My concern is that
AFRINIC may have the tendency to ignore the
approval and just impede the transfer process.
Clause 3.6 suggests in the end everything must
come to AFRINIC's approval when they do not have
an authority over the resources.<br class="">
Regards<br class="">
</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Dec 8,
2021 at 5:28 PM PDWG Chair <<a href="mailto:vincent@ngundi.me.ke" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" class="">vincent@ngundi.me.ke</a>>
wrote:<br class="">
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<div class=""><p class=""><b id="m_5669129160708588288m_3363292438048954661gmail-m_-1101560640550715958docs-internal-guid-c5429948-7fff-0633-e699-de226a57b079" style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;font-weight:normal" class=""> </b></p>
<div style="line-height:1.38;text-align:justify;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt" class=""><b id="m_5669129160708588288m_3363292438048954661gmail-m_-1101560640550715958docs-internal-guid-c5429948-7fff-0633-e699-de226a57b079" style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;font-weight:normal" class=""><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent" class="">Dear PDWG, </span></b></div>
<b id="m_5669129160708588288m_3363292438048954661gmail-m_-1101560640550715958docs-internal-guid-c5429948-7fff-0633-e699-de226a57b079" style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;font-weight:normal" class=""> <br class="">
<div style="line-height:1.38;text-align:justify;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt" class=""><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent" class="">The summary of the elements that led to the PDWG Chairs decision for the policy proposal AFRINIC Number Resources Transfer Policy - Policy Proposal AFPUB-2020-GEN-006-DRAFT02 that was discussed during the AFRINIC-34 Public Policy Meeting is as follows:-</span></div>
<br class="">
<div style="line-height:1.38;text-align:justify;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt" class=""><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent" class="">Lack of reciprocity with ARIN was raised and addressed by the authors and members of the PDWG, who mentioned that while the proposal is conservative and aims at protecting the resource pool of AFRINIC, AFRINIC can start with the implementation of resource transfers with those RIRs that have confirmed or do not require reciprocity. The authors also clarified that incoming transfers of legacy resources will be covered by the AFRINIC RSA as the recipient will have to become a member.</span></div>
<br class="">
<div style="line-height:1.38;text-align:justify;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt" class=""><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent" class="">After deliberation, the PDWG Co-chairs announced that having considered the current version of the policy proposal, the deliberations during the current PPM and the editorial changes that the authors have committed to, they have determined that rough consensus has been reached. The updated version of the policy proposal, with ID AFPUB-2020-GEN-006-DRAFT03, was submitted on 22 Nov 2021 and is available at </span><a href="https://afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2020-gen-006-d3" style="text-decoration:none" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" class=""><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;text-decoration:underline;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent;color:rgb(17,85,204)" class="">https://afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2020-gen-006-d3</span></a><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent" class=""> . This version of the proposal will now move to Last Call and the community can further engage in that period. </span></div>
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<div style="line-height:1.38;text-align:justify;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt" class=""><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent" class="">The Last Call starts on 8 December 2021 and will end at 23h59 UTC on 5 January 2022.</span></div>
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<div style="line-height:1.38;text-align:justify;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt" class=""><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent" class="">Regards,</span></div>
<div style="line-height:1.38;text-align:justify;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt" class=""><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent" class="">Vincent Ngundi & Darwin Da Costa</span></div>
<div style="line-height:1.38;text-align:justify;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt" class=""><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent" class="">AFRINIC PDWG CO-CHAIRS</span></div>
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