[rpd] Summary of Proposal AFRINIC Number Resources Transfer Policy AFPUB-2020-GEN-006-DRAFT02

Thu Jan 6 14:17:58 UTC 2022

Hi Gregoire,

I don’t think it is very unfair to ask any participant to stop discussing or exposing any possible issues. Nobody can/should “shut up” other participants, that will clearly be against the CoC and more importantly, the spirit of an honest discussion. The list is precisely to have open and honest discussions, not to hide things, and even less if they can have bad consequences for this or other RIRs and the Global Internet Community.

I believe you’re confused with what it is a global policy and a regional one. Global policies are meant for managing the work with IANA, which of course, is irrelevant to inter-RIR transfers.

If you read carefully my last reply to Sander, you will understand why this policy creates problems and distortion. It will be different if there is no “major” donor, but is not the case. This policy is a way to bypass ARIN lack of reciprocity, and that can create troubles to all the regions and all the regions should react to that. So yes, this brings more clearly new perspectives to the discussion, and this list is meant for that.

Regards,

Jordi

@jordipalet

El 6/1/22 15:09, "Gregoire EHOUMI" <gregoire.ehoumi at yahoo.fr> escribió:

Dear Jordi, 

Can we please stop replaying discussions? It does not help especially when it brings no new perspectives and elements.

Inter-RIR policy did not follow the global policy path and each RIR defining its own rules for compatibility and reciprocity. 

AFRINIC did nothing new except than defining and accepting rules which protect its best interests while accepting other RIRs constraints.

There is no path for a war, 4 RIRs (include AFRINIC) said the policy proposal is reciprocal. There is nothing to hide in the policy proposal and nothing prevents AFRINIC to start with the RIRs that said the policy is reciprocal. 

Thanks,

--

Gregoire

On Jan 6, 2022, at 5:02 AM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <rpd at afrinic.net> wrote:

I must agree with some of the points raised by AK.

It has been said many times: we can’t have a non-reciprocal policy.

We are only creating the path for a war with the other RIRs.

In this region we always complained about other RIRs rules trying to interfere with our own rules, and we are now doing exactly the same?

How come can we expect that other RIRs will not change their policies to protect their resources, and ensure that their own transfer policies don’t work anymore with AFRINIC, unless AFRINIC turns into a reciprocal system?

Clearly it is a very wrong decision and will turn against AFRINIC.

Regards,

Jordi

@jordipalet

El 5/1/22 21:53, "ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE" <oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng> escribió:

Dear PDWG,

 There are a number of issues with this policy that have been raised and I am surprised that only a few were mentioned in this summary.

I am also surprised that those who were saying reciprocity was an issue with a similar policy are now saying it's no more an issue. I would have gone into the archive but I have better things to do. 

Those who drafted this summary are now assuming the role of authors. If you agree that this policy is not reciprocal but it should be implemented with RIRs that it is reciprocal with then can you tell me why other similar policies are not reaching consensus on this same basis?. This is a very dangerous precedence. now policies can be implemented with a group. what a good laugh we are having here.

Please what are we doing differently this time? So editorial changes are now allowed by the same set of people who said no changes is allowed a month before the PPM according to the CPM.   Funny enough the same person raising this same issue is one of those who now drafted this so-called summary. 

Which version is the version that you are now claiming is reaching a consensus here. Is it the current version before the PPM  or the version that the authors have agreed to make editorial changes too.  What are these editorial changes?  Can you explain them? I hope I get a response to this.

I see nothing different happing now from what we did. Our template is clearly being used by the same set of people who were shouting then. The only difference is that their will is now being implemented.  I knew this was a script all along am not in any way surprised. some people now don't understand what an RIR is. and suddenly we having RIR lessons.

Let us be clear on this, this policy didn't reach a consensus for the simple fact that it is not reciprocal among other reasons. 

I know that all opposition to this policy would be ignored became all these are just a formality so I won't waste my time too much on this. The decisions were made a long time ago and this is just a drama.  Same with the appeals it is now the same circle of people typical way of doing things, therefore, I can clearly predict the future. Unfortunately, the chair of appeals is someone I respect and like so much hence I would never comment on anything she has a hand in no matter the temptation I would never directly or indirectly disrespect her.

Congratulation to Noah and friends, I was thinking you wait and pass this policy at the next ppm but it seems time is running out of time and it has to be done now.  Fortunately, I only decided to send this mail because  I am not expecting those crazy blackmailing responses from my good friend. He now has a court case to answer too and am sure he would finally get to learn some lessons or maybe I should also consult on how I can press a similar charge.  let me quote from ...."the truth is definitely stronger. Always stay on the path of truth :-) "

Let me stop here before I get the puppet card. 

AK

On Wed, 8 Dec 2021, 16:32 PDWG Chair, <vincent at ngundi.me.ke> wrote:

Dear PDWG, 

The  summary of the elements that led to the PDWG Chairs decision for the policy  proposal AFRINIC Number Resources Transfer Policy - Policy Proposal AFPUB-2020-GEN-006-DRAFT02 that was discussed during the AFRINIC-34 Public Policy Meeting is as follows:-

Lack of reciprocity with ARIN was raised and addressed by the authors and members of the PDWG, who mentioned that while the proposal is conservative and aims at protecting the resource pool of AFRINIC, AFRINIC can start with the implementation of resource transfers with those RIRs that have confirmed or do not require reciprocity. The authors also clarified that incoming transfers of legacy resources will be covered by the AFRINIC RSA as the recipient will have to become a member.

After deliberation, the PDWG Co-chairs announced that having considered the current version of the policy proposal, the deliberations during the  current PPM and the editorial changes that the authors have committed to, they have determined that rough consensus has been reached. The updated version of the policy proposal, with ID AFPUB-2020-GEN-006-DRAFT03, was submitted on 22 Nov 2021 and is available at https://afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2020-gen-006-d3 . This version of the proposal   will now move to Last Call and the community can further engage in that period. 

The Last Call starts on 8 December 2021 and will end at 23h59 UTC on 5 January 2022.

Regards,

Vincent Ngundi & Darwin Da Costa

AFRINIC PDWG CO-CHAIRS

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