[rpd] Co-Chair Recall Policy Proposal: Impact Assessment & Summary of Objections

Tue Nov 16 21:33:13 UTC 2021

Do we leave everything to board, so that we wait for their directives
before we act in the PWDG. I thought we are could be coming up self
regulating and sustainable policies.

Therefore any policy that removes the community's "control" of it's
activities should be resisted.

Daniel Yakmut

--- Always a voice of reason

On Nov 16, 2021 3:06 AM, "Fernando Frediani" <fhfrediani at gmail.com> wrote:

On 15/11/2021 19:19, Owen DeLong wrote:

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If you don’t like the election, how about having all community members
willing to serve on the committee toss their names in a hat and 5 names are
selected at random.

Functions of the PDWG should not be a lucky contest where any random people
can perform a role.

Instead people should be chosen by their competence and knowledge to the
task and not all community members may have this necessary knowledge and
skills. Put on the top of that that a random person with a big conflict of
interest may be can be drawn which puts in danger a vital part of the PDWG.
The way it is at least remains in the hands of the Board supported by the
staff the function to filter and make sure only those who have the skills
and no conflict of interest can perform such task.

Regards
Fernando

Owen

Fernando
On 15/11/2021 15:26, Owen DeLong wrote:

On Nov 15, 2021, at 05:33, Fernando Frediani <fhfrediani at gmail.com>
<fhfrediani at gmail.com> wrote:

Hi

No, I am considering it to be elected even before a request for recall is
put.
Election for such thing only has the potential to mess up things a lot and
is uncessary.

How so?  If the committee is elected before the co-chairs are identified,
how does it mess things up?

The actual method with the Board playing the role in choosing these people
to conduct this important task is good and balanced enough for the process.

This presumes we can depend on the board acting in good faith and not
appointing committee members based on their willingness to achieve the
board’s desired outcome. Given that there is a clear track record of
increasing power grabs (e.g. the restructuring of the appeal committee TOR)
in the PDP from the AFRINIC board, this is obviously folly.

As a comparison there are other RIRs like LACNIC where this works
similarily and well.

The LACNIC board has and has earned the trust of the community.

Let's not politicize the process which should be based in merit and not
popularity and imune to economical power interference.

Giving control of the process to the board will politicize it. The question
is whether we want to politicize it in the control of 9 people or handle it
with broader community oversight.

Owen

Regards
Fernando

On Mon, 15 Nov 2021, 07:12 Owen DeLong, <owen at delong.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Nov 14, 2021, at 18:18 , Fernando Frediani <fhfrediani at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> No way a Recall Committee to be elected by the PDWG. This sounds like a
> quiet bad scenario and should be avoided given the way PDWG works.
>
> They should be elected to serve terms in case a recall comes up. They
> should not be elected after the recall process has begun.
>
> Recall Committee is a rather critical thing in the structure of PDWG and
> may only be called up during difficult and stressful times. If you add up
> the possibility to politicize the process with candidates and an election
> it a recipe to mess up the process with all that is involved in a election.
> Further to that imagine the possibility of someone economically powerful
> that is dissatisfied with some of the decision of the Co-Chair to pay
> people to subscribe to list, fake participation and vote for certain people
> for a 'ordered' Recall Committee to remove those 'unwanted' Co-Chairs ?
>
> It sounds like you are assuming an election to take place after the recall
> process is started. That would, indeed, be obvious folly, but it is not
> what I am proposing.
>
> Having the Board to nominate the Committee is good enough and protects
> these rather difficult and critical  situations from unnecessary
> politicization and the PDWG from a easier take over. I believe it is quiet
> fair to think that the Board has all the necessary attributes to find and
> choose the right people to compose a Recall Committee when it is needed. We
> have a great example in the excellent and detailed work a previous Recall
> Committee has done and those members were all chosen by the Board. This
> shows the process worked well, fairly and in a balanced way where the Board
> and Recall Committeed played its role in the balance the PDWG has to have.
>
> I disagree… This is a place where we should not be allowing the bard to
> put their thumbs on the scale, let alone encouraging it.
>
> Owen
>
>
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