[rpd] Publication of Information (Draft-2) - AFPUB-2021-GEN-001-DRAFT02

[sisoko daze]

Dear Jordi, just curious do other RIRs also normally require resource
members to provide their business information as well?? Happy to be
enlightened. Thanks.

On Sun, 14 Nov 2021, 5:00 pm JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD, <rpd at afrinic.net>
wrote:

> Hi Cheken,
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> Please provide a clear explanation of your concerns, as I’m failing to
> understand it and even less, I totally fail to understand the relation that
> you find among both policies.
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> I will be more than happy to respond to very specific points that you may
> have but a generic (and possibly subjection) view can’t help to progress.
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> Regards,
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> Jordi
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> @jordipalet
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> El 13/11/21 11:28, "Cheken Chetty" <rameez.chetty at gmail.com> escribió:
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> Hi Jordi, all,
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> Thank you for the response on the previous thread Jordi, I still feel like
> there's a similarity with this proposal and the other as an attempt to
> breach the privacy of the resource members. Forcing members to come forward
> with their business when AFRINIC is just there to manage resources and not
> act with authority is not promoting openness and transparency within the
> Community."
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> Regards.
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> On Fri, 12 Nov 2021, 19:26 JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD, <rpd at afrinic.net>
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> Hi Gaby, all,
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> According to existing policies in the CPM, you ask for resources based on
> justified need.
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> If the justified need is not for an “immediate use” (1 year seems
> reasonable, 2 years may be too much already), then there is no sense that
> you request those resources in advance, or in fact probably AFRINIC will
> not allocate them and tell you “come back when you’re ready”.
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> I will understand that a LIR that is deploying a big network with no
> customers yet, will request a smaller prefix and may be, in the case of
> IPv6, suggest to AFRINIC that they reserve some contiguos space for the
> next request. Actually this is already the practice in all the RIRs (sparce
> allocation).
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> Note also that the policy text provides a way to avoid the publication if
> justified, or to delay it. So if there is a bussiness that really requires
> having all the resources up-front, AFRINIC agree on that (following the
> CPM), and it requires more time and can’t be disclosed to protect the
> business, it is a very valid justification.
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> Regarding the rewording of my last paragraph, may be a language problem
> not being native speaker, I fail to see what is not clear, and I believe
> that the staff understood it correctly looking at the IA of the previous
> version: https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2021-gen-001-d1#impact
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> What I’m saying is that in every first “2 years anyversary” of each
> resourse allocation the policy is “executed” and the summary provided and
> if agreed, published. Also, I’m stating that the implementation may be
> phased (slow start) by the staff in such way that there is no need to hire
> more resources. This is needed because otherwise when the policy is
> initially implemented there is a high demand of human resources to take
> over “all” those that already surpassed the 2 years.
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> I’m not sure to understand your last point.
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> Regards,
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> Jordi
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> @jordipalet
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> El 12/11/21 11:41, "Gaby Giner" <gabyginernetwork at gmail.com> escribió:
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> Hi Jordi, hi everybody,
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> Thanks for a quite insightful proposal. However, this type of proactive
> action (and the details/parameters that you gave) may not translate well
> into reality.
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> Transparency and fairness are important values ofc, given that we operate
> behind the screen. My concern with the policy would be the parameters that
> you gave. Do you have a solid statistical basis that says in 2 years, a
> probable business that asked for resources from AFRINIC would be able to
> establish their business properly without adverse effects if ever AFRINIC
> should do as it says in the policy proposal?
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> Secondly, your last paragraph:
> *"This policy shall be implemented in such a way that all the resources
> allocated/assigned for over 2 years, will be chronologically warned,
> allowing the staff to process the possible responses of “non-disclosure”
> without requiring extra human resources."*
> I'm having trouble understanding this in context with the other content in
> the proposal. Maybe a rewrite is in order.
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> Finally, for the first paragraph, I would suggest that it should be
> rewritten. On the whole, while transparency is good, I think the execution
> should be considered carefully.
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> Sincerely, Gaby.
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