[rpd] Last Call - RPKI ROAs for Unallocated and Unassigned AFRINIC Address Space AFPUB-2019-GEN-006-DRAFT03.

[Daniel Yakmut]

Dear Arnuad,

You are also not acting differently when you called previous members of 
the board as rogues. I wonder why most times you make yourself more 
African, when that is not the case. I think if there were mistakes 
before now, we should consider how to resolve it.

Let us stick to the fact here, that we are given powers that can be 
inimical in future. I think that is what we should argue.

Simply,

Daniel


On 24/07/2021 9:46 am, Arnaud AMELINA wrote:

I think you have the wrong target in terms of irresponsibility. Those 
who were on the board when The Board would have authorized the handing 
over of several million IP addresses to a company which did not even see 
fit to have an ASN, are the real irresponsible people and they know each 
other. The current Board is one of the most responsible that we have 
had. Because they are fighting for the sovereignty of African resources 
which have been captured by a group of lawless capitalists who only 
think about their personal interests supported by a few corrupt African 
brothers. That's the reality, so stop your innuendo and stop bashing and 
disrespecting our Board team. It is a behavior of Colon that you are 
having. Don’t stop that, you can defend your client without 
disrespecting those the community has designated to defend their 
interests. Good to hear hi!


> Cher Owen,

>

> Je pense que tu te trompe de cible en terme d'irresponsabilité. Ceux 

> qui étaient au board au moment où Le Board aurait autorisé la remise 

> de plusieurs millions d'adresses IP à une entreprise qui n'a même pas 

> jugé utile d'avoir un ASN, sont les vrais irresponsables et ils se 

> connaissent. Le Board actuel est l'un des plus responsable qu'on est 

> eu. Car ils se battent pour la souveraineté des ressources africaines 

> qui ont été capturé par un groupe de capitalistes sans foi ni loi qui 

> ne pensent qu'à leur intérêt personnel soutenus par quelques frères 

> africains corrompus.

>

> C'est ça la réalité, donc arrête tes insinuations et cesses de 

> dénigrer et de manquer du respect à notre équipe du Board. C'est un 

> comportement de Colon que tu es entrain d'avoir. Don  arrête ça tu 

> peut défendre ton client sans manquer du respect à ceux que la 

> communauté à désigné pour défendre ses intérêts.

>

> À bon entendeur salut !

>

> --

> Arnaud

>

> Le sam. 24 juil. 2021 à 03:44, Owen DeLong via RPD <rpd at afrinic.net 

> <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>> a écrit :

>

>     There’s a big difference between taking away the toys/weapons an

>     irresponsible teenager already has (though I’m

>     not sure that’s necessarily a bad idea at this point) and hading

>     them new deadly weapons.

>

>     This proposal seeks to hand them a new weapon with far greater and

>     more damaging effect than any of the tools

>     presently in their hands.

>

>     Sure, we should look for ways to take away the BB guns, but

>     handing them a Howitzer still remains irresponsible.

>

>     The board can’t ratify this proposal if we never send it to them.

>

>     Owen

>

>

>>     On Jul 23, 2021, at 13:13 , JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD

>>     <rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>> wrote:

>>

>>     Should we then cancel all the CPM parts can be used in bad faith

>>     or wrongly? We need a policy proposal for that. And then the

>>     Board can decide not to ratify it …

>>     Should also cancel the internal procedure that AFRINIC has

>>     designed for recovering resources. That is not in the scope

>>     “right now” of the policy manual, so we should set in-scope via a

>>     policy proposal. However, it looks like the Board could also

>>     decide not to ratify it …

>>     Our problem is now a bigger one than this policy, that in the

>>     best case will take 8-9 months to be implemented.

>>     In that time, we must make sure that the overal problem is

>>     resolved instead of investing in getting this policy down (and

>>     the full CPM down). It is a more wise usage of resources.

>>     And if we believe that AFRINIC is acting against the community,

>>     at least I’m starting to believe that, lacking responses, then we

>>     should escalate to ICANN.

>>     Regars,

>>

>>     Jordi

>>

>>     @jordipalet

>>

>>     El 23/7/21 21:51, "Owen DeLong" <owen at delong.com

>>     <mailto:owen at delong.com>> escribió:

>>     Sure,

>>     However, in the case of this specific policy which would allow

>>     RPKI to be weaponized by AFRINIC, I think it

>>     is irresponsible to hand a loaded howitzer to an irresponsible

>>     teenager.

>>     Owen

>>

>>

>>>     On Jul 22, 2021, at 08:20 , JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD

>>>     <rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>> wrote:

>>>     Hi Owen,

>>>     I don’t have all the details in my hands to judge if all was

>>>     done correctly or not.

>>>     Even if I trust you, I think we should agree that this is a

>>>     major problem and not any specific policy.

>>>     So, we should find the way to resolve that in a wider way,

>>>     including a very clear and diligent responsivity from the board.

>>>     Right now, I’ve been waiting for responses to my two previous

>>>     emails from 14 and 15^th July. I think one week is more than

>>>     sufficient to respond.

>>>     Regards,

>>>

>>>     Jordi

>>>

>>>     @jordipalet

>>>

>>>     El 22/7/21 16:54, "Owen DeLong" <owen at delong.com

>>>     <mailto:owen at delong.com>> escribió:

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>>     Begin forwarded message:

>>>>     *From:*JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <rpd at afrinic.net

>>>>     <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>

>>>>     *Subject: Re: [rpd] Last Call - RPKI ROAs for Unallocated and

>>>>     Unassigned AFRINIC Address Space AFPUB-2019-GEN-006-DRAFT03.*

>>>>     *Date:*July 22, 2021 at 00:16:48 PDT

>>>>     *To:*"rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>"

>>>>     <rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>

>>>>     *Reply-To:*JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet at consulintel.es

>>>>     <mailto:jordi.palet at consulintel.es>>

>>>>     Hi Owen,

>>>>     I don’t know, as many in the list, all the details and the real

>>>>     “true” (not one side, not the other), about the recent case.

>>>>     However, what I can say is that AFRINIC indicated in this case,

>>>>     that they will keep the resources in use for additional 3

>>>>     months so customers aren’t impacted.

>>>     This was not true. Because of the way they modified whois,

>>>     multiple providers started rejecting LOAs as invalid and

>>>     disconnecting customers. As such, their superficial claim that

>>>     they were preventing customers from being impacted was not accurate.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>>     Following the policy text, this is exactly the same thing. If

>>>>     there is a disagreement and then a recovery, until the recovery

>>>>     is “final” (the 3 months I just mention) the resources will not

>>>>     be incorporated in the AS0.

>>>     Yes, but you are now assuming that AFRINIC will follow their own

>>>     rules. Had AFRINIC actually followed their own rules, they would

>>>     not have attempted to terminate Cloud Innovation’s membership

>>>     and would not have altered the WHOIS entries in question.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>>     The recent case, demonstrated that it works, because in case of

>>>>     a dispute, you can still ask the courts, in the worst case, to

>>>>     take a position.

>>>     If AFRINIC had acted responsibly and in compliance with their

>>>     own rules, this would be true. Because AFRINIC does not follow

>>>     its own rules and because AFRINIC was in such a rush to take

>>>     adverse action the moment our injunction was temporarily lifted

>>>     on a technicality, it is quite clear that they are willing to

>>>     act in bad faith and contrary to their rules. So no, it does not

>>>     work, because during the dispute AFRINIC chose to and was able

>>>     to create substantial disruption to our customers while trying

>>>     to pretend to the community that their hands were clean.

>>>     Owen

>>>

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