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[rpd] missing emails from co-chairs to board
noah at neo.co.tz
Tue Apr 13 09:21:46 UTC 2021
Thank you Mike for closing this in the most effective way possible.
On Tue, 13 Apr 2021, 12:06 Mike Silber, <silber.mike at gmail.com> wrote:
> I think it is time to stop flogging this dead horse.
> AK has provided some evidence (albeit not verifiable, for whatever reason
> he may have - it is unclear why he won’t share the actual mails and his
> explanation below does not hold water to me).
> However, even the imperfect evidence shared shows communication with the
> staff liaison and not the board.
> It appears the co-chairs did not fulfil their obligation to send the
> policy to the board. At best they seem to have expected that the liaison
> would send it on their behalf. However there is no clear request to do so
> and even if there was such a clear request, my understanding is that would
> be outside the CPM which requires the chair/s to send the recommendation.
> 3.4.4 Approval
> *The Working Group Chair(s) shall recommend the draft policy to the
> AFRINIC Board of Directors* for approval if it has the consensus of the
> Policy Development Working Group. The recommendation shall include a report
> of the discussions of the draft policy and feedback from the Last Call. The
> draft policy shall be ratified by the AFRINIC Board of Directors. (my
> As such, I think we have to accept that we will not get further clarity
> and we need to move on, as suggested by the CEO.
> Further comments in-line below.
> On 13 Apr 2021, at 09:36, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <rpd at afrinic.net>
> El 13/4/21 8:06, "ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE" <oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng>
> We have refused to forward or re- forward the email to the mailing list or
> board's mailing list for a reasons and we think we need to make this
> reason public.
> This will be appreciated
> Just before sending the document to the board then, we sent the same
> document to the Madhvi who is an AFRINIC staff and the Policy Liaison
> Officer. In fact as you can see from the email exchange she acknowledged
> that the document was ready to be sent to the board after which we made no
> changes to the content of the document. She has never claimed the document
> was not received by her so we are sure she has it Therefore she can process
> internally. We are sure she has the final version and in the best
> position to just process it internally. We only sent it as two documents
> and nothing was changed in the content. This way we can preserve the date
> and content of the document.
> As above, the CPM which requires the chair/s to send the recommendation.
> Suggesting that it is the role of the liaison is a clear misunderstanding
> of the CPM.
> We believe the drive to get us to resend it again by some people is an
> attempt to avoid the document being processd while trying to waste some
> more precious time.
> Something of this nature, was already suggested in your email as you
> asked us to send it for just public knowledge. The document via not for
> public knowledge, it a document that the board should process as
> It is this working group that develops policy. Why should we be excluded
> from knowing how it is being processed and that our selected chair/s are
> fulfilling their obligations under the CPM?
> We believe that the document is in the hands of AFRINIC staff.
> Maybe it is - but it is the role of the chair/s to submit the policy and
> report to the board.
> In Fact the PDWG Secretariat has shared some information not requested in
> recent days but I wonder why they can't also share this with the board.
> Again, going by the illogical actions of the board chair in recent times ,
> we are certain that if we resend the document at this time he would come
> back with an obvious excuse. *If this is not going to be the case, then
> the board chair should come out clearly on this, rather than waste our
> @Abdulkarim, I think it is time to stop with personal attacks on the chair
> and the policy liaison or your unfounded conspiracy theories. No one is
> asking you to resend the document (as you are no longer the chair, it would
> be moot). Instead the WG has asked you to provide confirmation that you
> complied with section 3.4.4 of the CPM. So far you have failed and/or
> refused to do so and it is in fact you who are making excuses and wasting
> our time.
> Therefore, if we are all sincere and looking for a genuine way forward.
> This is a very simple case, AFRINIC staff who is also the PDWG Secretariat
> at the moment has the document. She can just process it internally as she
> has always had our permission to do this.
> As above, it is the role of the chair/s under 3.4.4 of the CPM to
> recommend the draft policy to the board and to transmit the report. it is
> irregular to expect AfriNIC staff to do this. As you are no longer the
> chair, this would only be valid if sent by you prior to your recall.
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