[rpd] missing emails from co-chairs to board

[Noah]

Hi Mike

Thank you Mike for closing this in the most effective way possible.

Cheers
Noah



On Tue, 13 Apr 2021, 12:06 Mike Silber, <silber.mike at gmail.com> wrote:


> Colleagues

>

> I think it is time to stop flogging this dead horse.

>

> AK has provided some evidence (albeit not verifiable, for whatever reason

> he may have - it is unclear why he won’t share the actual mails and his

> explanation below does not hold water to me).

>

> However, even the imperfect evidence shared shows communication with the

> staff liaison and not the board.

>

> It appears the co-chairs did not fulfil their obligation to send the

> policy to the board. At best they seem to have expected that the liaison

> would send it on their behalf. However there is no clear request to do so

> and even if there was such a clear request, my understanding is that would

> be outside the CPM which requires the chair/s to send the recommendation.

>

> 3.4.4 Approval

> *The Working Group Chair(s) shall recommend the draft policy to the

> AFRINIC Board of Directors* for approval if it has the consensus of the

> Policy Development Working Group. The recommendation shall include a report

> of the discussions of the draft policy and feedback from the Last Call. The

> draft policy shall be ratified by the AFRINIC Board of Directors. (my

> emphasis)

>

> As such, I think we have to accept that we will not get further clarity

> and we need to move on, as suggested by the CEO.

>

> Further comments in-line below.

>

>

> On 13 Apr 2021, at 09:36, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <rpd at afrinic.net>

> wrote:

>

>

> snip

>

>

> El 13/4/21 8:06, "ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE" <oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng>

> escribió:

>

>

>

>

> We have refused to forward or re- forward the email to the mailing list or

> board's mailing  list for a reasons and we think we need to make this

> reason public.

>

>

> This will be appreciated

>

>

> Just before sending the document to the board then, we sent the same

> document to the Madhvi who is an AFRINIC staff and the Policy Liaison

> Officer. In fact as you can see from the email exchange she acknowledged

> that the document was ready to be sent to the board after which we made no

> changes to the content of the document. She has never claimed the document

> was not received by her so we are sure she has it Therefore she can process

> internally.  We are sure she  has the final version and in the best

> position to just process it internally. We only sent it as two documents

> and nothing was changed in the content. This way we can preserve the date

> and content of the document.

>

>

> As above, the CPM which requires the chair/s to send the recommendation.

> Suggesting that it is the role of the liaison is a clear misunderstanding

> of the CPM.

>

>

>

> We believe the drive  to get us to resend it again by some people is an

> attempt to avoid the document being processd while trying to waste some

> more precious time.

> Something of this nature, was already suggested in your email as you

> asked us to  send it for just public knowledge. The document via not for

> public knowledge, it a document that the board should process as

> appropriate.

>

>

> It is this working group that develops policy. Why should we be excluded

> from knowing how it is being processed and that our selected chair/s are

> fulfilling their obligations under the CPM?

>

>   We believe that the document is in the hands of AFRINIC staff.

>

>

> Maybe it is - but it is the role of the chair/s to submit the policy and

> report to the board.

>

> In Fact the PDWG Secretariat has shared some information not requested in

> recent days but I wonder why they can't also share this with the board.

> Again, going by the illogical actions of the board chair in recent times ,

> we are certain that if we  resend the document at this time  he would come

> back with an obvious excuse. *If this is not going to be the case, then

> the board chair should come out clearly on this, rather than waste our

> time.*

>

>

> @Abdulkarim, I think it is time to stop with personal attacks on the chair

> and the policy liaison or your unfounded conspiracy theories. No one is

> asking you to resend the document (as you are no longer the chair, it would

> be moot). Instead the WG has asked you to provide confirmation that you

> complied with section 3.4.4 of the CPM. So far you have failed and/or

> refused to do so and it is in fact you who are making excuses and wasting

> our time.

>

>

>  Therefore, if we are all sincere and looking for a genuine way forward.

> This is a very simple case, AFRINIC staff who is also the PDWG Secretariat

> at the moment has the document. She can just process it internally as she

> has always had our permission to do this.

>

>

> As above, it is the role of the chair/s under 3.4.4 of the CPM to

> recommend the draft policy to the board and to transmit the report. it is

> irregular to expect AfriNIC staff to do this. As you are no longer the

> chair, this would only be valid if sent by you prior to your recall.

>

> Mike

>

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