[rpd] Call for interest for PDWG chairs closed & Way forward

[Paschal Ochang]

You are right Daniel. The flipping of the rules baffles me. I do know that
we need to move forward as a community but it must be done according to
laid down guidelines lest we set a dangerous precedence. In the future
these actions will be used as reference points. In the beginning the notion
was to elect candidates to complete the tenure of the recalled co-chairs
and now all of a sudden this has changed overnight to 2year and one year
tenures and asking them to agree among themselves.I can see a total
disregard for the PDP and inconsistencies. This is not healthy.

On Friday, April 9, 2021, Daniel Yakmut via RPD <rpd at afrinic.net> wrote:


> I am not totally in disagreement with the proposal of Jaco. But, I want to

> draw our attention to the following:

>

> 1. We started this conversation and process with a clear intend to

> select/elect co-chairs to complete the tenure of the recalled co-chairs.,

> Therefore where did we deviate from the original intend.

>

> 2. By the Jaco's proposal, we are now saying that we can be changing rules

> as we go on, let us remember that we are setting a precedent.

>

> 3. I don't want to believe that some members of the community have seen

> that their favorites have emerged as possible candidates for the co-chairs

> and now want to give them elongated tenure.

>

> 4. We have now introduce a new word in our actions "inconsistency".

>

> I will rather support that we stick to the original intend, until we make

> amends from the lessons learnt. Rules do not change in a middle of a game,

> similarly goalposts are not shifted when the football game is going on.

>

> Let us reflect on this, as some of us will keep record of what transpired

> now, will hopefully remind the community at the appropriate time.

>

>

> Simply,

>

> Daniel

>

>

> On 08/04/2021 8:I52 pm, Frank Habicht wrote:

>

>> Dear all,

>>

>> I fully support Jaco's proposal.

>> [note: I'm biased, seconder of Vincent]

>>

>> 1. the PDWG has the power to do this.

>> 2. the PDWG has the need to select chairs rather sooner than later.

>>

>> AfriNIC staff are (rightly) staying out of regulating the PDWG.

>> As a result there was a [my opinion] low signal/noise ratio - just ask

>> yourself how many emails were taking us forward.

>> Yes, it's a democracy, and everyone can voice their concerns.

>> But there is also a time for decisions, and the WG should not stay

>> "without head" for any longer, in my opinion.

>>

>> The fact that I didn't post in a while is possibly because there wasn't

>> a useful email like Jaco's during that time. Thank you Jaco.

>> [fun fact: I know him *only* from this public mailing list, i think]

>>

>> I was shocked when I saw that a just-recalled co-chair was running for

>> the same position again [though theoretically i see Owen's point that

>> they should be allowed to do so]. If Abdulkarim had posted the email(s)

>> to the board for ratification, I would have more faith than I have now.

>> In other words [and to be clear, even if it hurts]: I really hope we

>> will have different co-chairs than the previous ones.

>>

>> I am very happy that (per Mark Elkins' email) both Darwin and Vincent

>> have voiced their agreement.

>>

>> I propose we go ahead with this as WG consensus.

>>

>> Regards,

>> Frank Habicht

>> ORG-WCL4-AFRINIC

>>

>> On 08/04/2021 19:16, Jaco Kroon wrote:

>>

>>> Hi All,

>>>

>>> Given that we've repeatedly stated that there should be a nominator and

>>> a seconder for all nominations, this means we only really received 3

>>> nominations (3,4,5 below).

>>>

>>> Given that Abulkarim (4) was one of the co-chairs removed by the recall

>>> committee, and there has been controversy around the previous co-chairs,

>>> in my opinion we only really have two candidates.

>>>

>>> And both of these candidates seems to be good choices.  From Vincent's

>>> (3) nomination, by Barry:

>>>

>>> "Vincent is an outstanding person for the PDWG as he was the first

>>> co-chair of the same back in the days. we need to bring back the

>>> fundamental values and hence i nominate him"

>>>

>>> I could not agree more about bringing back the fundamentals, and plainly

>>> Vincent has experience in a co-chair position that we desperately need

>>> at this point in time.

>>>

>>> Regarding Darwin (5), I've gone back and read a fair number of his

>>> emails over the last year or so, and Darwin in my opinion has a level

>>> head, the ability to reason and understand as well.  I could not find a

>>> single example of him being involved personally in a controversy in

>>> spite of him providing his opinion on a number of topics.

>>>

>>> I would thus like to make two proposals.

>>>

>>> 1.  We select the two candidates as above, in my opinion with Vincent in

>>> the two-year tenure and Darwin in the one year tenure.  By consensus if

>>> possible.

>>>

>>> 2.  Given that the next meeting is two months from now, I would like to

>>> propose that we measure these tenures as from "this year" such that the

>>> effective tenures will be one and two years respectively from now, and

>>> not "puppet" and "one year" effectively.

>>>

>>> Kind Regards,

>>> Jaco

>>>

>>> On 2021/04/08 16:26, AFRINIC Policy Liaison wrote:

>>>

>>>> *

>>>>

>>>> Dear Colleagues

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> As mentioned in our email on 7 April 2021, AFRINIC as Secretariat had

>>>> started the process of contacting the nominators that were mentioned

>>>> in the nomination forms of the candidates .  The update feedback

>>>> received is as follows:-

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> 1.

>>>>

>>>>      Wijdane Goubi  -  Nominator did not approve as per email received

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> 2.

>>>>

>>>>      Anthony Ikechukwu Ubah -  Nominator did not approve as per email

>>>>      received

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> 3.

>>>>

>>>>      Vincent Ngundi - Both nominator & Seconder approved as per email

>>>>      received

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> 4.

>>>>

>>>>      Adbulkarim Oloyede -  Both nominator & Seconder approved as per

>>>>      email received

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> 5.

>>>>

>>>>      Darwin da Costa - Both nominator & Seconder approved as per email

>>>>      received

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> 6.

>>>>

>>>>      Elvis Ibeanusi - Nominator approved as per  email  received

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Regards

>>>>

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Kind regards,

Paschal.
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