You are right Daniel. The flipping of the rules baffles me. I do know that we need to move forward as a community but it must be done according to laid down guidelines lest we set a dangerous precedence. In the future these actions will be used as reference points. In the beginning the notion was to elect candidates to complete the tenure of the recalled co-chairs and now all of a sudden this has changed overnight to 2year and one year tenures and asking them to agree among themselves.I can see a total disregard for the PDP and inconsistencies. This is not healthy. <br><br>On Friday, April 9, 2021, Daniel Yakmut via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I am not totally in disagreement with the proposal of Jaco. But, I want to draw our attention to the following:<br>
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1. We started this conversation and process with a clear intend to select/elect co-chairs to complete the tenure of the recalled co-chairs., Therefore where did we deviate from the original intend.<br>
<br>
2. By the Jaco's proposal, we are now saying that we can be changing rules as we go on, let us remember that we are setting a precedent.<br>
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3. I don't want to believe that some members of the community have seen that their favorites have emerged as possible candidates for the co-chairs and now want to give them elongated tenure.<br>
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4. We have now introduce a new word in our actions "inconsistency".<br>
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I will rather support that we stick to the original intend, until we make amends from the lessons learnt. Rules do not change in a middle of a game, similarly goalposts are not shifted when the football game is going on.<br>
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Let us reflect on this, as some of us will keep record of what transpired now, will hopefully remind the community at the appropriate time.<br>
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Simply,<br>
<br>
Daniel<br>
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On 08/04/2021 8:I52 pm, Frank Habicht wrote:<br>
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Dear all,<br>
<br>
I fully support Jaco's proposal.<br>
[note: I'm biased, seconder of Vincent]<br>
<br>
1. the PDWG has the power to do this.<br>
2. the PDWG has the need to select chairs rather sooner than later.<br>
<br>
AfriNIC staff are (rightly) staying out of regulating the PDWG.<br>
As a result there was a [my opinion] low signal/noise ratio - just ask<br>
yourself how many emails were taking us forward.<br>
Yes, it's a democracy, and everyone can voice their concerns.<br>
But there is also a time for decisions, and the WG should not stay<br>
"without head" for any longer, in my opinion.<br>
<br>
The fact that I didn't post in a while is possibly because there wasn't<br>
a useful email like Jaco's during that time. Thank you Jaco.<br>
[fun fact: I know him *only* from this public mailing list, i think]<br>
<br>
I was shocked when I saw that a just-recalled co-chair was running for<br>
the same position again [though theoretically i see Owen's point that<br>
they should be allowed to do so]. If Abdulkarim had posted the email(s)<br>
to the board for ratification, I would have more faith than I have now.<br>
In other words [and to be clear, even if it hurts]: I really hope we<br>
will have different co-chairs than the previous ones.<br>
<br>
I am very happy that (per Mark Elkins' email) both Darwin and Vincent<br>
have voiced their agreement.<br>
<br>
I propose we go ahead with this as WG consensus.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Frank Habicht<br>
ORG-WCL4-AFRINIC<br>
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On 08/04/2021 19:16, Jaco Kroon wrote:<br>
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Hi All,<br>
<br>
Given that we've repeatedly stated that there should be a nominator and<br>
a seconder for all nominations, this means we only really received 3<br>
nominations (3,4,5 below).<br>
<br>
Given that Abulkarim (4) was one of the co-chairs removed by the recall<br>
committee, and there has been controversy around the previous co-chairs,<br>
in my opinion we only really have two candidates.<br>
<br>
And both of these candidates seems to be good choices. From Vincent's<br>
(3) nomination, by Barry:<br>
<br>
"Vincent is an outstanding person for the PDWG as he was the first<br>
co-chair of the same back in the days. we need to bring back the<br>
fundamental values and hence i nominate him"<br>
<br>
I could not agree more about bringing back the fundamentals, and plainly<br>
Vincent has experience in a co-chair position that we desperately need<br>
at this point in time.<br>
<br>
Regarding Darwin (5), I've gone back and read a fair number of his<br>
emails over the last year or so, and Darwin in my opinion has a level<br>
head, the ability to reason and understand as well. I could not find a<br>
single example of him being involved personally in a controversy in<br>
spite of him providing his opinion on a number of topics.<br>
<br>
I would thus like to make two proposals.<br>
<br>
1. We select the two candidates as above, in my opinion with Vincent in<br>
the two-year tenure and Darwin in the one year tenure. By consensus if<br>
possible.<br>
<br>
2. Given that the next meeting is two months from now, I would like to<br>
propose that we measure these tenures as from "this year" such that the<br>
effective tenures will be one and two years respectively from now, and<br>
not "puppet" and "one year" effectively.<br>
<br>
Kind Regards,<br>
Jaco<br>
<br>
On 2021/04/08 16:26, AFRINIC Policy Liaison wrote:<br>
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Dear Colleagues<br>
<br>
<br>
As mentioned in our email on 7 April 2021, AFRINIC as Secretariat had<br>
started the process of contacting the nominators that were mentioned<br>
in the nomination forms of the candidates . The update feedback<br>
received is as follows:-<br>
<br>
<br>
1.<br>
<br>
Wijdane Goubi - Nominator did not approve as per email received<br>
<br>
<br>
2.<br>
<br>
Anthony Ikechukwu Ubah - Nominator did not approve as per email<br>
received<br>
<br>
<br>
3.<br>
<br>
Vincent Ngundi - Both nominator & Seconder approved as per email<br>
received<br>
<br>
<br>
4.<br>
<br>
Adbulkarim Oloyede - Both nominator & Seconder approved as per<br>
email received<br>
<br>
<br>
5.<br>
<br>
Darwin da Costa - Both nominator & Seconder approved as per email<br>
received<br>
<br>
<br>
6.<br>
<br>
Elvis Ibeanusi - Nominator approved as per email received<br>
<br>
<br>
Regards<br>
<br>
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