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fhfrediani at gmail.com
Fri Apr 9 01:33:19 UTC 2021
Owen, unfortunately you are still missing the point and keep repeating
the something again and again in what look a hope to defend the suppose
right of the RIR to edit policies unilaterally ignoring the empowered
community if they wish so just because it is written in the bylaws.
Look, I never denied that as a corporation registered in Mauritius
AfriNic may do what whatever the bylaws allow them to do. However as a
RIR they CAN NOT.
For being and remaining to be a RIR goes much beyond any corporate
bylaws and stick to rules that go beyond a corporate bylaw. If they dare
to do that they will be usurping prerogatives that don't belong to them
as a RIR (look I said *as a RIR*), that must stick to principles that
are above the constitution of a corporation in Mauritius or any other
country RIRs are registered.
If that ever happens IT IS indeed that case for empowered community to
question the recognition of that corporation as a recognized RIR
everywhere is due. The corporation may continue existing as a registered
corporation in the country but other Internet related organizations may
stop to recognize it as a RIR if it goes against and ignore the
empowered community by doing such an act which they, are a RIR, don't
have the right to do.
Please try to understand the difference between the 2 things before you
reply saying I am wrong.
On 08/04/2021 20:40, Owen DeLong wrote:
> You’re still 100% wrong about that. AFRINIC is an organization that
> runs a registry. They are a corporation.
> The corporation MUST act according to its bylaws and the bylaws give
> the board authority as described.
> IF the board chooses to utilize that authority, there is no basis for
> the corporation to contravene it and the
> only recourse is for the community to reject the action at a later time.
> Doing so will not call into question the continued existence of
> AFRINIC, it will not be a crisis, it will
> likely be unpopular and will likely be controversial, but eventually,
> the controversy will resolve and the
> policy will either be ratified by the community or rejected by the
> community and we will return to some
> new form of normal.
>> On Apr 7, 2021, at 11:01 , Fernando Frediani <fhfrediani at gmail.com
>> <mailto:fhfrediani at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> On 07/04/2021 14:43, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD wrote:
>>> 1. Board could ratify a proposal but if they don’t agree with it,
>>> considering the bylaws, they could also at the same time,
>>> approve a “contrary” policy, which will be in place immediately
>>> **until** it is endorsed by the community at the next meeting.
>>> If not endorsed, it will then be withdrawed.
>> That part of bylaws means nothing to PDWG. If they would ever do that
>> it would open a precedent that has the potential to question AfriNic
>> internationally to continuing to existing and be recognized as a RIR.
>> Bylaws is made by members-only and members-only are not allowed to
>> determine unilaterally what the policies will be unless that is give
>> to them by PDWG which has never happened.
>> Therefore that part of the bylaws should be rejected, dismissed and
>> ideally removed by the next General Assembly.
>>> El 7/4/21 19:20, "Noah" <noah at neo.co.tz <mailto:noah at neo.co.tz>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 7, 2021 at 7:48 PM JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD
>>> <rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>> wrote:
>>> I need to disagree with you here.
>>> Both proposals reached consensus. That’s a fact.
>>> No Jordi the*Resource Transfer Policy* with all its multiple
>>> versions, v.1 v.2, v.3 and I believe v.4 did not reach consensus due
>>> to lack of following the process.
>>> I know you are obsessed with wanting to see an IPv4 Inter-RIR
>>> transfer policy in place within our AFRINIC service region but that
>>> has to only happen through a clear PDP process and with all valid
>>> objections addressed including the serious financial implication
>>> that AFRINIC staff indicated when tasks by its resource members not
>>> withstanding staff impact analysis.
>>> One of them is pending on an appeal, so the board need to wait
>>> for that to be resolved.
>>> Yes and that is part of the process and the appeals state clearly
>>> why that specific proposal never achieved consensus and why it
>>> should be taken back to the WG for further discussion.
>>> In any case, the board could return both proposals to the PDWG,
>>> if they have **strong** reasons to object to the ratification.
>>> They could even decide that they ratify the proposal but also
>>> take a “contrary” proposal, which will take immediate effect, to
>>> be endorsed by the community in the next meeting, which can
>>> leave without effect the ratification.
>>> I would not support such a rushed move by the AFRINIC board. If a
>>> proposal has issues, it's the role of the WG to fine tune it until
>>> the WG agrees that yes, now we have a proposal that the co-chairs
>>> can send to the board for consideration like we have done with so
>>> many proposals in the past.
>>> Therefore, your piecemeal approach is very dangerous and we have
>>> taken some lessons from past mistakes as a WG that we can not afford
>>> to rush with piecemeal proposals just because folks can come back
>>> and fine tune the said policy. Why not the WG resolve all issues
>>> with the proposal before it can be sent for ratification.
>>> FWIW, Inter-RIR transfer proposals especially for our region ought
>>> to be treated with caution in light of all the fraud and we shall
>>> not blindly rush things here Jordi.
>>> IPv4 is over
>>> Are you ready for the new Internet ?
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