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    <p>Owen, unfortunately you are still missing the point and keep
      repeating the something again and again in what look a hope to
      defend the suppose right of the RIR to edit policies unilaterally
      ignoring the empowered community if they wish so just because it
      is written in the bylaws.<br>
    </p>
    <p>Look, I never denied that as a corporation registered in
      Mauritius AfriNic may do what whatever the bylaws allow them to
      do. However as a RIR they CAN NOT.<br>
      For being and remaining to be a RIR goes much beyond any corporate
      bylaws and stick to rules that go beyond a corporate bylaw. If
      they dare to do that they will be usurping prerogatives that don't
      belong to them as a RIR (look I said *as a RIR*), that must stick
      to principles that are above the constitution of a corporation in
      Mauritius or any other country RIRs are registered.</p>
    <p>If that ever happens IT IS indeed that case for empowered
      community to question the recognition of that corporation as a
      recognized RIR everywhere is due. The corporation may continue
      existing as a registered corporation in the country but other
      Internet related organizations may stop to recognize it as a RIR
      if it goes against and ignore the empowered community by doing
      such an act which they, are a RIR, don't have the right to do.<br>
    </p>
    <p>Please try to understand the difference between the 2 things
      before you reply saying I am wrong.</p>
    <p>Fernando<br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 08/04/2021 20:40, Owen DeLong wrote:<br>
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      cite="mid:3A5FD1B0-C4B1-41FB-A6EA-7C8645D87B72@delong.com">
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      You’re still 100% wrong about that. AFRINIC is an organization
      that runs a registry. They are a corporation.
      <div class="">The corporation MUST act according to its bylaws and
        the bylaws give the board authority as described.</div>
      <div class="">IF the board chooses to utilize that authority,
        there is no basis for the corporation to contravene it and the</div>
      <div class="">only recourse is for the community to reject the
        action at a later time.</div>
      <div class=""><br class="">
      </div>
      <div class="">Doing so will not call into question the continued
        existence of AFRINIC, it will not be a crisis, it will</div>
      <div class="">likely be unpopular and will likely be
        controversial, but eventually, the controversy will resolve and
        the</div>
      <div class="">policy will either be ratified by the community or
        rejected by the community and we will return to some</div>
      <div class="">new form of normal.</div>
      <div class=""><br class="">
      </div>
      <div class="">Owen</div>
      <div class=""><br class="">
        <div><br class="">
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            <div class="">On Apr 7, 2021, at 11:01 , Fernando Frediani
              <<a href="mailto:fhfrediani@gmail.com" class=""
                moz-do-not-send="true">fhfrediani@gmail.com</a>>
              wrote:</div>
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              <div class="moz-cite-prefix" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0,
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                letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent:
                0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal;
                word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;
                text-decoration: none;">On 07/04/2021 14:43, JORDI PALET
                MARTINEZ via RPD wrote:<br class="">
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              <blockquote type="cite"
                cite="mid:D3A4C906-7D5C-4E16-99F0-78F8D9E50177@consulintel.es"
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                  <div class=""><clip><span style="font-size:
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                        sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"
                          class="" lang="EN-US">Board could ratify a
                          proposal but if they don’t agree with it,
                          considering the bylaws, they could also at the
                          same time, approve a “contrary” policy, which
                          will be in place immediately *<b class="">until</b>*
                          it is endorsed by the community at the next
                          meeting. If not endorsed, it will then be
                          withdrawed.</span></li>
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              </blockquote>
              <span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
                Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal;
                font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal;
                letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent:
                0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal;
                word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;
                text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline
                !important;" class="">That part of bylaws means nothing
                to PDWG. If they would ever do that it would open a
                precedent that has the potential to question AfriNic
                internationally to continuing to existing and be
                recognized as a RIR.</span><br style="caret-color:
                rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px;
                font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal;
                font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align:
                start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none;
                white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;
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                class="">
              <span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
                Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal;
                font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal;
                letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent:
                0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal;
                word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;
                text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline
                !important;" class="">Bylaws is made by members-only and
                members-only are not allowed to determine unilaterally
                what the policies will be unless that is give to them by
                PDWG which has never happened.</span><br
                style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
                Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal;
                font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal;
                letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent:
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                text-decoration: none;" class="">
              <p style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
                Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal;
                font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal;
                letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent:
                0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal;
                word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;
                text-decoration: none;" class="">Therefore that part of
                the bylaws should be rejected, dismissed and ideally
                removed by the next General Assembly.</p>
              <p style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
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                word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;
                text-decoration: none;" class="">Fernando<br class="">
              </p>
              <blockquote type="cite"
                cite="mid:D3A4C906-7D5C-4E16-99F0-78F8D9E50177@consulintel.es"
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                        class="" lang="EN-US"><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></p>
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                  <div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
                    Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span
                      style="font-size: 12pt;" class="" lang="EN-US"><o:p
                        class=""> </o:p></span></div>
                  <div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
                    Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span
                      style="font-size: 12pt;" class="" lang="EN-US"><o:p
                        class=""> </o:p></span></div>
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                        class="">El 7/4/21 19:20, "Noah" <<a
                          href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz"
                          moz-do-not-send="true" style="color: blue;
                          text-decoration: underline;" class="">noah@neo.co.tz</a>>
                        escribió:<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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                  <div class="">
                    <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt; font-size:
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                        class=""> </o:p></div>
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                  <div class="">
                    <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt; font-size:
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                        class=""> </o:p></div>
                    <div class="">
                      <div class="">
                        <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt;
                          font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                          sans-serif;" class="">On Wed, Apr 7, 2021 at
                          7:48 PM JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <<a
                            href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net"
                            moz-do-not-send="true" style="color: blue;
                            text-decoration: underline;" class="">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>
                          wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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                            <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt;
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                                style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""
                                lang="EN-US">I need to disagree with you
                                here.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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                            <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt;
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                                style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""
                                lang="EN-US">Both proposals reached
                                consensus. That’s a fact.</span><o:p
                                class=""></o:p></div>
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                        <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt;
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                      <div class="">
                        <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt;
                          font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                          sans-serif;" class="">No Jordi the<span
                            class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b
                            class="">Resource Transfer Policy</b> <span
                            class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>with
                          all its multiple versions, v.1 v.2, v.3 and I
                          believe v.4 did not reach consensus due to
                          lack of following the process.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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                      <div class="">
                        <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt;
                          font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                          sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div>
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                      <div class="">
                        <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt;
                          font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                          sans-serif;" class="">I know you are obsessed
                          with wanting to see an IPv4 Inter-RIR transfer
                          policy in place within our AFRINIC service
                          region but that has to only happen through a
                          clear PDP process and with all valid
                          objections addressed including the serious
                          financial implication that AFRINIC staff
                          indicated when tasks by its resource members
                          not withstanding staff impact analysis. <o:p
                            class=""></o:p></div>
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                      <div class="">
                        <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt;
                          font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                          sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div>
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                          <div class="">
                            <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt;
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                              sans-serif;" class=""><span
                                style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""
                                lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                            <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt;
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                              sans-serif;" class=""><span
                                style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""
                                lang="EN-US">One of them is pending on
                                an appeal, so the board need to wait for
                                that to be resolved.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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                      <div class="">
                        <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt;
                          font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                          sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div>
                      </div>
                      <div class="">
                        <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt;
                          font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                          sans-serif;" class="">Yes and that is part of
                          the process and the appeals state clearly why
                          that specific proposal never achieved
                          consensus and why it should be taken back to
                          the WG for further discussion.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                      </div>
                      <div class="">
                        <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt;
                          font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                          sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div>
                      </div>
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                        <div class="">
                          <div class="">
                            <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt;
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                              sans-serif;" class=""><span
                                style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""
                                lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                            <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt;
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                              sans-serif;" class=""><span
                                style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""
                                lang="EN-US">In any case, the board
                                could return both proposals to the PDWG,
                                if they have *<b class="">strong</b>*
                                reasons to object to the ratification.</span><o:p
                                class=""></o:p></div>
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                      <blockquote style="border-style: none none none
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                        <div class="">
                          <div class="">
                            <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt;
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                              sans-serif;" class=""><span
                                style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""
                                lang="EN-US">They could even decide that
                                they ratify the proposal but also take a
                                “contrary” proposal, which will take
                                immediate effect, to be endorsed by the
                                community in the next meeting, which can
                                leave without effect the ratification.</span><o:p
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                        <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt;
                          font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                          sans-serif;" class="">I would not support such
                          a rushed move by the AFRINIC board. If a
                          proposal has issues, it's the role of the WG
                          to fine tune it until the WG agrees that yes,
                          now we have a proposal that the co-chairs can
                          send to the board for consideration like we
                          have done with so many proposals in the past.<o:p
                            class=""></o:p></div>
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                        <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt;
                          font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                          sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div>
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                        <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt;
                          font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                          sans-serif;" class="">Therefore, your
                          piecemeal approach is very dangerous and we
                          have taken some lessons from past mistakes as
                          a WG that we can not afford to rush
                          with piecemeal proposals just because folks
                          can come back and fine tune the said policy.
                          Why not the WG resolve all issues with the
                          proposal before it can be sent for
                          ratification. <o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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                          sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div>
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                        <div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0cm 35.4pt;
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                          sans-serif;" class="">FWIW, Inter-RIR transfer
                          proposals especially for our region ought to
                          be treated with caution in light of all the
                          fraud and we shall not blindly rush things
                          here Jordi.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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                          sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div>
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                          sans-serif;" class="">Cheers,<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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