[rpd] PDWG Co-Chairs Selection pursuant to Section 3.3 of CPM |

[Fernando Frediani]

Ok Jordi, thanks for the clarificarion.
In that case in agreement.

Fernandi

On Wed, 7 Apr 2021, 13:31 JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD, <rpd at afrinic.net>
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> Hi Fernando,

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> I didn’t say so.

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> I meant AK can send the documents to the PDWG AND when the NEW co-chairs

> are elected, they should re-send again to the board.

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> Regards,

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> Jordi

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> @jordipalet

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> El 7/4/21 18:17, "Fernando Frediani" <fhfrediani at gmail.com> escribió:

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> Hi Jordi

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> I don't agree previous co-chairs may submit such document in any

> circumstances since they are not co-chairs anymore. Whatever they do at the

> present is invalid in that sense.

> If, and only if they may be able to clarify they have submitted the

> document in the past by sharing the email messages and Board confirms its

> recipient fine. That was an action make in the past which is already

> finished and just being clarified now.

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> In the case it is not possible to confirm that than I agree with John's

> message that the new co-chairs can continue on that matter and also agree

> with you that it may not be necessary to achieve the consensus again, but

> the submit of any documents must be done only by a co-chair in the role,

> not backwards.

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> Regards

> Fernando

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> On 07/04/2021 13:02, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD wrote:

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> Hi John,

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> I don’t think this is the way.

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> (by the way, I believe now is clear that it has not been “lost”, just

> hidden)

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> After looking at your email, I’ve been reading **again** the PDP on this

> and for me is clear that there is no need for a new version or new

> consensus. Ideally and hopefully, AK can send the documents, it will be the

> best even if they need to be reviewed or updated, otherwise, the new

> co-chairs will need to waste some time to redo the document from scratch,

> read all the emails, look at the meeting videos, etc.

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> The PDP doesn’t mention anything such as “if chairs are replaced” a

> previously declared consensus need to be re-achieved before sending a

> proposal for ratification. And I think that’s very reasonable, because this

> can happen (the replacement of co-chairs) for many different reasons and it

> should not impact the process.

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> Regards,

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> Jordi

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> @jordipalet

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> El 7/4/21 17:54, "John Hay" <john at sanren.ac.za> escribió:

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> Hi Fernando,

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> Even if that proposal got lost between co-chairs and AfriNIC, it should

> not be a big deal. Once we have new co-chairs, the authors can just submit

> their last version. If we got consensus on the last version, surely we

> should get it again on the same version or with very little tweaking,

> otherwise we ourselves are not very consistent. :-)

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> Regards

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> John

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> On Wed, 7 Apr 2021 at 17:21, Fernando Frediani <fhfrediani at gmail.com>

> wrote:

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> There is no abuse or exaggeration.

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> There is a important matter that has been unable to be clarified so far

> that involves a proposal that has been discussed for months and supposedly

> sent to the Board for ratification which the AfriNic denies. This situation

> must be resolved one way of another, otherwise PDWG may be failing in one

> of its main propose which is discuss proposals and pass them. It becomes a

> waste of everybody's time.

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> All has been requested to AK is to share with this group the original

> emails/messages attached, nothing else. That is not secret information or

> something to be treated with care. If that can be done it helps progress

> and end this unanswered questions.

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> Regards

> Fernando

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> On 07/04/2021 11:30, Daniel Yakmut via RPD wrote:

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> Dear All,

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> Once again we are descending into the pit of name calling and abuses. I

> think we are putting undue pressure on this matter. What is the worse that

> can happen if AK refuse to respond to any of our demand? I am also amuse at

> the level that we are critical of very unimportant issues.

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> I also think we should allow AK to vent out, he is not doing that for

> anyone to help him out, it is his right.

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> Simply,

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> Daniel

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> On 07/04/2021 11:25 am, Murungi Daniel via RPD wrote:

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> Dear Abdulkarim,

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> Am no imaging expert but some of the icons in the screenshot you sent have

> different resolutions from the rest of the document. Not sure if this was

> caused by you printing then scanning the excerpt you shared.

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> That said, your cause would be best served if you forwarded the emails

> directly to the RPD list. Additionally, share the raw message headers. This

> will help the AFRINIC team ease the process of sifting through the logs on

> their end.

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> IMHO, sir, your outburst below does not aid your cause one bit. Kindly

> keep in mind that you are not talking children.

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> Regards,

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> Murungi Daniel

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> On Apr 7, 2021, at 8:37 AM, ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE <oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng>

> wrote:

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> Dear Noah,

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> The last time I checked you were neither my employer nor my parent. Am

> sure if we work for the same employer you can't be my superior at work. I

> wonder why you would  think I would take instructions from you.

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> Please show some respect and keep those rude instructions to AFRINIC.

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>  Enjoy your day.

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> AK.

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> On Wed, 7 Apr 2021, 00:35 Noah, <noah at neo.co.tz> wrote:

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> Hi Abdulkarim

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> I see you attached screenshots of email exchanges.

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> Forward the said email to this PDWG rpd list including the report.

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> Noah

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> On Wed, 7 Apr 2021, 02:24 ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE, <oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng>

> wrote:

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> Dear all.

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> I didn't want to do this earlier for personal reasons. However, It seems

> some people are just out to tarnish my name and reputation. I wish them the

> best of luck in doing that. at least they now have a serious job.

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> Some also forget that I have a day job and I wear so many other lovely

> hats and I sometimes deserve some sabbatical leave from their ranting.

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> Please find attached the email correspondence between myself and the

> Policy liaison officer leading to the preparation of the document and the

> email sent by the co-chairs to the board for ratification.

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> Please relax and enjoy reading the attachment.

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> I hope this clarifies all the issues.

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> AK

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> On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 4:20 PM Noah <noah at neo.co.tz> wrote:

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> On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 4:59 PM Darwin Costa <dc at darwincosta.com> wrote:

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> On 6 Apr 2021, at 15:18, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <rpd at afrinic.net>

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> @Jordi, if I was you I would hold my horses until we see evidences from

> one or the other side. Until then……

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> This is what I am also telling Jordi because it's pointless for him to

> spread conspiracy theories based on his private chats with Abdulkarim who

> has never shown this PDWG any evidence that they former co-chairs sent such

> email to the board or even copied this working group as its a practise.

> Afrinic feedback clearly states not even a log on their side can be traced

> of such communications and as such, that is Afrinic evidence.

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> Therefore, Abdulkarims reluctance to forward such email to the WG, shows

> that there is either no such email, or if there was, then it's very

> unprofessional of him that not even his excuses about being on sabbatical

> leave hold water rather than shows another complete disregard to this WG

> and a clear vote of no confidence. in the man.

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> it's been a couple of weeks, lets see the evidence......PERIOD.

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> Noah

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