[rpd] [Community-Discuss] clarification requested from AFRINIC

[JORDI PALET MARTINEZ]

Hi Darwin,

 

The Board never responded completely to the relevant questions:

 
Have they got the email from the (ex)co-chairs?
If so, can we get a copy (either from the Board, staff or co-chairs, even better each one to send their copies)?
If the Board got an email but the information was not complete (we need so assess it with the email), the co-chairs got a request for providing further information?
 

Very sadly, on this matter, because the Board didn’t respond explicitly (in my opinion, the same way they didn’t responded explicitly to other questions), I don’t trust 100% the Board. I will prefer to have both, the co-chairs email and the board one, so we can *all* confront the true.

 

It doesn’t make sense that the chairs said they send the email and the Board say they didn’t get it. You don’t think so?

 

*I understand* that the chairs, aren’t happy with the Recall, but if they really want to demonstrate their willingness to cooperate with the PDWG, they should have no problem in forwarding to the list all the email exchanges on this matter with the Board/staff. There is nothing secret in that email exchange, right?

 

Openness and transparency apply here to all the involved parties (staff, chairs, Board).

 

Regards,

Jordi

@jordipalet

 

 

 

El 3/3/21 13:16, "Darwin Da Costa" <darwincosta at hotmail.com> escribió:

 

 




On 3 Mar 2021, at 12:41, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <rpd at afrinic.net> wrote:

 

Hi Madhvi,

 

The correction of my point 1 was done in the Q&A screen, but not in “voice”. As a consequence, all the participants that usually have the Q&A windows closed (in Zoom), were not able to see it, and they may be still under the impression that it was a resignation, not a recall. I understand that was out of the hands of AFRINIC, so I’ve copied back the relevant APNIC mailing list, so this correction is now clear.

 

Regarding point 2, the co-chairs indicated that they have sent an email. The PDP doesn’t state any explicit format or template. The list dicussion shows that the staff asked them to follow a format used by previous chairs, but the PDP doesn’t ask for it, so it can’t be enforced. The Board deny having got that report, but they never denied having received the email. Again: the PDP doesn’t enforce any specific format, so we need to see the email to understand if the Board is missing something and actually *informed* the co-chairs about WHAT they missed.

 

Can the Board *confirm* or *deny* if they GOT SUCH EMAIL? That will clarify the issue and if the (ex)co-chairs can forward that email to the list, that will be awesome, but meanwhile, even if the co-chairs have been recalled, I don’t have any reasons to believe that they lied in sense that they didn’t sent the email.

 

@Jordi, this was already discussed couple of times here. If I can remember correctly the ex-cochairs never sent a copy of their email to the list.... 

 

Regards,

Jordi

@jordipalet

Cheers,

Darwin-.

 

 

 

El 3/3/21 12:09, "Madhvi Gokool" <madhvi at afrinic.net> escribió:

 

Hello Jordi /PDWG

 

On 03/03/2021 1:52 PM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss wrote:
Hi all,
 
Today, during the APNIC51 meeting, in the Global Reports session (https://2021.apricot.net/program/schedule-conference/#/day/10/apnic-global-reports), as usual, there was a presentation from every RIR, including AFRINIC.
 
In this presentation from AFRINIC, there have been two "imprecisions". I prefer to use this wording instead of something stronger, because to me those are very severe issues. I've asked in the Q&A to get this publicly clarified and it was not done.
 
AFRINIC MUST publicly acknowledge the mistakes.
 
1) It was explained that the AFRINIC PDWG co-chairs resigned. You can see it at the end of the presentation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ODvgxbMErs#t=35m50s
The AFRINIC staff corrected the initial statement made in his  presentation and mentioned that the Co-chairs were recalled in the Q&A feature.  
 
 
2) It has been said that one of the policy proposals that reached consensus hasn't been sent to the Board for ratification, which is not true, as discussed in the RPD mailing list. The co-chairs did send the policy to the Board, but the Board decided to ignore it, because it looks like they want the chairs to follow a format that has never been enforced before and it has not been approved by the community, neither the PDP.
See slide 6 at https://2021.apricot.net/assets/files/APSr481/afrinic-update-apnic51.pdf
i) The PDWG is under the impression from a previous correspondence of the now ex-co chair AbdulKarim that the co-chairs  had already sent the ratification reports to the Board.

ii) There were requests on the rpd mailing list to the outgoing co-chairs to share the mails that they have sent to the Board with the PDWG  and there were no responses.  

iii) The Board Chair informed the community on 14 Feb 2021  that the report for ratification was not received. 

https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2021/012363.html

iv) It is incorrect to mention that the Board wanted the chairs to follow a specific format. This is a misinterpretation of the information provided by the Policy Liaison to the mailing list  in regard to the report template.  https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2021/012374.html

 

Regards

Madhvi

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