[rpd] Report from Recall Committee

[Paschal Ochang]

+1 Owen. Well said.

On Monday, March 1, 2021, Owen DeLong via RPD <rpd at afrinic.net> wrote:


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> On Feb 27, 2021, at 07:57 , Arnaud AMELINA <amelnaud at gmail.com> wrote:

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> Le lun. 22 févr. 2021 à 23:03, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> a écrit :

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>> On Feb 19, 2021, at 16:21 , Arnaud AMELINA <amelnaud at gmail.com> wrote:

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>>> *Silent your opposition? Never, but as said above, you are just one

>>> voice which counts like others, and you should allow and encourage others,

>>> especially those who live or are operating in this region to also speak and

>>> live with the outcome.*

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>>> While I don’t live in the region, I do have involvement in operations in

>>> the region, so your above statement is yet another example of how you’ve

>>> gotten it wrong about me.

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>> Why are you  personalizing this? And again missing important points made.

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>> You made it personal… “You should allow…others…especially those who live

>> or are operating in this region…”

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>> I reacted directly. You have repeatedly engaged in ad hominem attacks on

>> me and on my participation here.

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>> You left out my important points from that message in your quote as well.

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>> While The PDP and its  discussions on rpd and at meetings are open to all

>> interested parties , There are things like appointing cochairs  or being

>> cochairs  which have always been reserved for people living in the regions

>> or operating  in the region. Operating in the region is demonstrated by

>> being a PoC of Afrinic member.

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>> Being chair is reserved for people living in the region. Appointing them

>> is specifically open to everyone in attendance at the applicable PDWG

>> meeting.

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>> Operating in the region cannot possibly be limited to being a PoC of an

>> AFRINIC member. It’s an absurd misclassification. Are you claiming that the

>> peering coordinator for an ISP who is not their IP administrator and

>> therefore not on the POC list would not be someone considered to be

>> operating in the region? That is absurd.

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> Security officers, NOC engineers and we can keep the list on going...

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> would any of these have allowed me to vote for ARIN AC, if I am not

> listed as a PoC of an ARIN member?

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> If they were the designated voting representative for an ARIN member

> organization, yes.

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> The ARIN AC is not elected by the community, they are (much to my

> disappointment) elected by the ARIN membership. A situation which I have

> fought to change for years, even before I joined the AC. If you doubt this,

> you are free to confirm it with John Curran, with whom I have frequently

> discussed this very matter.

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> This is how it is defined here and you may want to pursue its amendment.

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> Really? Where is that definition? Please show it to me in the bylaws, the

> CPM, or the Election Process document.

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> This is how you have arbitrarily chosen to express it with no basis as

> near as I can tell.

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> Those who are residing in the region  can show it. The non-resident who

> claims to be operating in the AFRINIC  service region should show it by

> being a registered and authorized contact of an AFRINIC resource member in

> good standing

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> Do you doubt that I am operating in the AFRINIC service region?

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> Do you doubt that I am a genuine participant in the process here?

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> Are you really attempting to claim that I am a sock puppet here?

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> It would be very easy for me to get added as a contact by multiple African

> organizations, but I’ve never seen the need to do so as yet. Presence in

> whois is as representative of whether one is an operator in the region or

> not as possession of a national id card can be used to confirm a lack of

> criminal record. It’s simply not a valid way to judge.

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> AFRINIC is still a Regional Internet Registry

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> Exactly. And xenophobia has no place in the policy process in any RIR.

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> Your participation in the ARIN policy development process would be every

> bit as welcome as mine. Same with LACNIC, APNIC, and RIPE-NCC.

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> My participation in AFRINIC policies predates my presence in the region

> and even in some ways predates AFRINIC, as you are so fond of occasionally

> pointing out.

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> Interestingly, it was not until I began working with a particular AFRINIC

> member organization that my participation here was ever even questioned.

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> The co-chair selection rules in the PDP (as documented in the CPM) are

> quite clear. The working group eligible to elect co-chairs is those present

> at the meeting whether in person or remotely. Since we cannot have

> in-person meetings, the closest we can come is a remote meeting, which for

> whatever reason my proposal for how a vote could be conducted during such

> an event was not accepted by the community.

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> So we are down to on-line voting. However, it is incumbent upon those who

> wish to conduct an on-line election to do so in a manner which complies

> with the existing voter eligibility rules, not make up new rules as they

> see fit without the consensus of this community.

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> If you qualify there is no endless discussions to have. Let the system

>> operate.

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>> Well, I do not qualify by your proposed criteria, but then neither do

>> more than half of the people operating networks in the region.

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>> You continue to seek ways in which you can legitimize your efforts to

>> reduce or eliminate my participation in the process, and you continue to

>> fail.

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> Nobody can reduce or eliminate your participation in the Policy

> development process as it is open to anyone interested to participate…

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> Part of that includes the selection of co-chairs.

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> If you don’t wish to continue this “endless discussion”, then all you need

>> to do is admit that my participation is legitimate and stop acting like I

>> should be some second-class presence in the community.

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> Whatever you call it does not really matter...

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> there are always limitations to all of us when it come to  things

> restricted to a particular region, group, etc...

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> While we can participate and be heard in any RIR

> activities...restrictions do apply.

> Nothing new  or special.

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> Sure, but you are seeking to impose new restrictions which never existed

> before. I have participated in several co-chair election in the past and

> nobody has questioned my participation or even hinted that I should not.

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> Now you seek to tell me that I an ineligible based on a criteria which

> does not exist in any document governing such elections.

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> Show me the rule, I’ll abide by it, but so far, you’re just making them up

> out of thin air. As long as you continue to do that, I will continue to

> expose it for the fraud that it is.

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> Owen

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Kind regards,

Paschal.
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