[rpd] Selecting WG Co-Chairs: Was Re: Can a Consensual Decision of the PDWG Violate the PDP? (was: Report from Recall Committee)

[Fernando Frediani]

There are no "new rules". Where are you seening them ?

People are just discussing what would be best for new Co-Chairs and and ia
expected from such person in a time we are in process to choose someone new.
Just understand the difference.

At some point when we have Co-Chairs again we may want to adjust the PDP
and incorporate whatever better we find out of this discussion.

Regards
Fernando

On Sat, 20 Feb 2021, 18:34 Daniel Yakmut, <yakmutd at googlemail.com> wrote:


> Hello,

>

> We cannot appoint a co-chair in any guise outside the rules of the PDP. If

> you must push anything outside the laws, then suspend it, this way you are

> not guided by anything as you take a new decision. But is it possible to

> suspend all our rules.

>

> Therefore, I totally disagree with any new rules. let us stick to what the

> books say, and be creative at using it and subsequently, coming out with a

> solution to our current predicament.

>

>

> cheers

>

> Daniel

> On 19/02/2021 8:54 pm, Fernando Frediani wrote:

>

> Hello Noah

>

> It sounds a reasonable suggestion.

> I think with at least 1 Co-Chair we can get things keep moving. The ideal

> would be to have two in order to avoid one person taking decisions alone.

>

> I think a good scenario is that we appoint one interim chair and with the

> person in place he/she works towards the selection of the second one as a

> priority.

>

> Now the most important point is: do we have any experienced people to

> volunteer to server at least for some time and help the things settle down

> a bit ? Any names we can consider ?

>

> Regards

> Fernando

> On 19/02/2021 16:34, Noah wrote:

>

> Hello PDWG,

>

> Can we try a different approach?

>

> 1. Agree on appointing one interim chair until the next meeting

>

> 1.1 If yes (which is my preference), can we look for an experienced

> participant to volunteer in this role?

>

> 2. Instead, we use the PDP to deliberate on the proposals which are

> already under discussion?

>

> https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals

>

> Cheers,

> Noah

>

> On Fri, 19 Feb 2021, 12:33 Sunday Folayan, <sfolayan at skannet.com> wrote:

>

>> In the light of MJE's contribution, I would like to modify my earlier

>> submission.

>>

>>

>> My personal preference for Interim Chairs' selection:

>>

>> • [A] a selection through rough consensus [2] After prospects do

>> volunteer;

>> • [B] a selection based on ranking voting [3] if more than 2 volunteers,

>> then discussions;

>> • [C] a selection based on an election (online) as usual [1] if more than

>> 2 candidates and discussions stalemate;

>> • [D] a selection inside a group of selectees based on criteria [4] (a

>> long and unnecessary process for selecting the interim Chairs);

>> • [E] any other possibility?

>>

>> I have no problem with NOMCOM being the selectees in [D] above. It will

>> not be a long and un-necessary process.

>>

>> Sunday.

>>

>>

>> On 2/19/21 9:58 AM, Mark Elkins wrote:

>>

>> Ask the NomCom to ask for volunteers. Just use the templates from 2020.

>> Have an initial cut-off after seven days.

>>

>> With last year, I was quite ecstatic when we ended up with just one

>> volunteer. "Consensus" as such is great.

>>

>> However, we technically need one person for three to six months and

>> another for that same period plus one year. I'm wondering whether it might

>> be more sane to extend both of these positions by one year? - or we simply

>> consent to have the same people extended by an additional year each at

>> whenever we have the next AFRINIC meeting?  Alternativly - we could be seen

>> as simply bringing forwards the normal election of Co-Chairs to now(ish) -

>> as we have an urgent need.

>>

>> We also need to have a system on deciding who is in for a short term and

>> who is in for a longer term. Voting may be the simplest method (as this

>> will all be done remotely).

>>

>> Any way - my thoughts.

>> On 2/19/21 9:55 AM, Sunday Folayan wrote:

>>

>> Hello Sylvain

>>

>> On 2/18/21 11:48 PM, Sylvain Baya wrote:

>>

>> ~°~

>> • a selection based on an election (online) as usual [1];

>> • a selection through rough consensus [2];

>> • a selection based on ranking voting [3];

>> • a selection inside a group of selectees based on criteria [4];

>> • any other possibility?

>> ~°~

>>

>>

>> My personal preference for Interim Chairs' selection:

>>

>> • a selection through rough consensus [2] After prospects do volunteer;

>> • a selection based on ranking voting [3] if more than 2 volunteers, then

>> discussions;

>> • a selection based on an election (online) as usual [1] if more than 2

>> candidates and discussions stalemate;

>> • a selection inside a group of selectees based on criteria [4] (a long

>> and unnecessary process for selecting the interim Chairs);

>> • any other possibility?

>>

>>

>> Sunday.

>>

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