[rpd] Criteria for Eligibility or Selection of PDWG Co-Chairs

[JORDI PALET MARTINEZ]

Hi Lucilla,

 

Note that my preference is to stick to the previous consensus.

 

However, we need to find a way forward and having those as desired capabilities, doesn’t limit anyone to participate, is just a guide for those taking a view on the candidate’s CVs, to decide, but doesn’t enforce them.

 

Regards,

Jordi

@jordipalet

 

 

 

El 19/2/21 11:14, "lucilla fornaro" <lucillafornarosawamoto at gmail.com> escribió:

 

Hi Jordi,

 

I repeat once again that all these criteria are basically discriminatory. They remain too ambiguous.

 

Exactly how are we going to check if someone can "remain calm in the face of provocations" BEFORE being elected? or any other sort of ability among the endless list of "desired capabilities"? 

I think we should not set any strict criteria or requirements as Afrinic is inclusive rather than categorizing. 

 

What does "experience in networking." mean in practice?

I want to repeat that even though the experience is valuable, we are not an employment agency. These "requirements" have no reason to exists.

 

 

Lucilla

 

Il giorno ven 19 feb 2021 alle ore 18:54 JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <rpd at afrinic.net> ha scritto:

What about making 2 lists, one for requirements, one for desired or convenient aspects?

 

Should we also, as part of the convenient aspects, include “live in AFRINIC coverage regions”?

 

So, we will have:

 

1.       Requirements

1.       Understanding of RFC7282.

2.       Not being author of any of the actual policy proposals in discussion. Withdrawing from them if selected is not acceptable.

3.       Active (not just reading emails) participation in PDWG for at least 2 years.

4.       Clear understanding of CPM/PDP.

5.       At least 3 years of experience in networking.

 

2.       Desired Capabilities

2.1 Ability to remain calm in the face of provocations and respect for the diversity

2.2 Be (or employed by) an AFRINIC resource-holder

2.3 Ability to openly declare lack of knowledge to assess the community inputs on specific topics and call for staff or experts advise 

 

(note that I’ve reworded diversity, because this way it is more ample, it is not just geography)

 

I prefer not keep discussing (not important at this point, we can do it later) if a process should be part of the PDP or not. I think it is. Anything that modifies the way the PDP is “read” or “interpreted” must be part of the PDP.

 

Regards,

Jordi

@jordipalet

 

 

 

El 19/2/21 10:22, "Sunday Folayan" <sfolayan at skannet.com> escribió:

 

Jordi,

Please see my comments inset:

On 2/19/21 10:08 AM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD wrote:

Hi Noah,

 

I disagree, it is exactly the same:

 

I “provoked” a discussion and the PDWG followed and then we reached consensus.

 

There was (rough) consensus truly, but it was an abdication of the PDWG responsibilities. No Board action was required, and is not required.

 

You “provoked” a discussion with a set of requirements and the PDWG is following it to reach consensus.

 

Hopefully ... and with PDWG action, and not Board action.

 

 

Be sure that I will contribute, don’t cut down the email that shows clearly what I said. We can disagree, but not play with words, that's unfair, so repeating myself:

 

Setting a criterion without a policy proposal and the subsequent PDP process is *against the PDP*.

 

 

Not really. The CPM talks of a process .... That is what we are defining, and it need not go by way of actually drafting a policy and waiting for an f2f meeting to discuss it and of course, there are no co-chairs in place. This is even about the Co-Chairs!

 

Nevertheless, if this is the path that the PDWG prefer, because this is about consensus, I agree.

 

You are a good man. Thank you!

 

 

I will like to change the priority (make it a bit shorter also), add something but take something out:

 

1.       Understanding of RFC7282.

2.       Not being author of any of the actual policy proposals in discussion.

3.       Active (not just reading emails) participation in PDWG. I think 2 years is good enough.

4.       Clear understanding of CPM/PDP.

5.       At least 3 years of experience in networking.

Don't for get the number 6. 

6. Ability to remain calm in the face of provocation and respect for the continental diversity. 

 

 

Asking to be a member is discriminatory. If we add that, it should a “wish”, but never excluding. I see folks that I believe aren’t members and are contributing actively and their rationales are very logic.

 

So ... does

7. Preference will be for a volunteer affiliated to a member organization. 

work for you?

 

 

I think they should also commit, to ask help to staff or external experts when they don’t have knowledge in any specific topic before taking decisions and ensure that they are engaged with the participant discussions to clarify their position before going to take a decision “on-site” in the meeting.

 

Lol. How do we code that? sounds like ... "must have the ability to go and eat, when hungry!"

 

Sunday.

 

 

 

 

Regards,

Jordi

@jordipalet

 

 

 

El 19/2/21 10:03, "Noah" <noah at neo.co.tz> escribió:

 

 

 

On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 11:54 AM JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <rpd at afrinic.net> wrote:

 

Now, you are doing exactly the same that you complained I did. Surprising!

 

Not at all... on the contrary, the working group is participating in a discussion that stemmed from another discussion that had been started by Sylvain. 

 

Since you are a participant in the WG, I encourage you to contribute to the discussion.

 

Noah


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