[rpd] Report from Recall Committee

[Murungi Daniel]

Dear Jodi,

I like that many of your arguments, suggestions, and proposals are based on sound principals and facts (IMHO). The challenge is that a lot of it is presented as a barrage and not easy to chew bits and pieces. Am fairly certain this is why you sometimes receive lots of unnecessary pushback.

Your warp drive is fully functional whereas most of our thrusters are stuck on MACH 4. Kindly allow us time to digest and catch up :).


Regards,
Murungi Daniel 




> On Feb 11, 2021, at 11:24 AM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <rpd at afrinic.net> wrote:

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> Hi Daniel (also responding to Sarah and others),

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> My reading of the message from Alan, is that the RC recommendation for the way forward is just a suggestion, not binding.

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> See his message:

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> https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2021/012251.html <https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2021/012251.html>

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> If you look to my suggested options, this is what I’m suggesting.

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> Yes, we have 4 days (not including weekend, as some folks may not follow the list then):

> Thursday

> Friday

> Monday

> Tuesday

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> By the end of the day (Tuesday 16th) we should have reached consensus if we want to board to be able to follow our request.

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> 4 days seems a lot of time, but is not. Look the very few people that had contributed in 4 days to this discussion.

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> Because this is consensus, not voting, I’m going to suggest that anyone that has *objections* where he can’t concede, to any of the choices that we have, say it today-tomorrow, so we still have a couple of days to decide which one has less objections.

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> In order to do that, I’m going to send the objections in a new email and provide some instructions, because we need those with objections to explain the rationale for them and also those that support “more” some options than others, to explain why.

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> This way we can make a summary of pros and cons of each alternative.

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> If any volunteer is neutral (he/she don’t have any preference and will accept any choice) and wants so stay silent, and then be the one deciding which one has “more” consensus, please say so.

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> May be the Recall Committee (or one of the members) volunteers to take that role?

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> Alternatively, if the PDWG agree, I’m happy knowing that I’ve no preference and will accept any choice, to stay silent from now on, and then offer a summary on Tuesday, acting as a kind of secretary, on Tuesday of all the pros and cons.

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> Regards,

> Jordi

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> @jordipalet

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> El 11/2/21 8:52, "Murungi Daniel" <dmurungi at wia.co.tz <mailto:dmurungi at wia.co.tz>> escribió:

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> Dear Yakmut,

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> We shall definitely reach consensus. Color me naive but I do not buy into your premise that the community is as sharply divided as you perceive. 

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> @Jordi, whereas your speed and desire to strike the iron while it’s still hot are admirable, we should all take some time ( 2 - 4 days) to digest the report from the Recall Committee. 

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> As @Kiden pointed out, the RC report has some recommendations and there are a number of suggestions that have been put forth by the community. 

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> AFRINIC and the RPD are not going to burn down simply because the community quietly takes a couple of days to reflect on recent events and their impact going forward.

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> Regards,

> Murungi Daniel

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>> On Feb 11, 2021, at 10:14 AM, Daniel Yakmut via RPD <rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>> wrote:

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>> How can we possibly reach consensus, when the community is sharply divided between winners and losers.

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>> There is bitterness around and shock around the action of the RC. Maybe when we get over the situation. However, delay is imminent.

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>> Daniel

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>> On Thu, Feb 11, 2021, 8:04 AM Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com <mailto:owen at delong.com>> wrote:

>>> The board has asked us to make a recommendation to them. Ideally, if possible, we should try to achieve consensus around a recommendation in time for their next meeting to avoid further delays as noted by the board.

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>>> Owen

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>>>> On Feb 10, 2021, at 11:04 , Sarah Kiden <skiden at gmail.com <mailto:skiden at gmail.com>> wrote:

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>>>> Hi Jordi, 

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>>>> I would suggest that we wait for the outcome of the Board meeting and then take it from there. I believe some recommendations were made in the report from the Recall Committee, which I believe will be a good starting place. 

>>>>  

>>>> Regards,

>>>> 

>>>> Sarah

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>>>> On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 5:51 PM JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>> wrote:

>>>>> So ... PDWG colleagues. We need to move.

>>>>> 

>>>>> We need to answer questions and tell the board:

>>>>> 

>>>>> 1. We want to halt everything until we have elections:

>>>>>         1.1 On-line elections in a few weeks with the previous electoral census?

>>>>>         1.2 On-site elections, we don't know when?

>>>>> 

>>>>> 2. We want the board to choose 2 transition chairs?

>>>>> 

>>>>> 3. We want to nominate ourselves a few names for transition chairs and let the board to decide, once they confirm their willingness to take the job ?

>>>>> 

>>>>> I don't think other choices are feasible in one week from now ... for example, deciding among us by email the 2 cochairs and not enter in an endless discussion.

>>>>> 

>>>>> (note that the order is arbitrary, I'm not suggesting anything in the list above, I'm happy with any choice IF we are able to reach consensus ourselves by next week)

>>>>> 

>>>>> Regards,

>>>>> Jordi

>>>>> @jordipalet

>>>>> 

>>>>> 

>>>>> 

>>>>> El 10/2/21 18:18, "chair at afrinic.net <mailto:chair at afrinic.net>" <chair at afrinic.net <mailto:chair at afrinic.net>> escribió:

>>>>> 

>>>>>     Dear Policy Development Working Group,

>>>>> 

>>>>>     The AFRINIC Board of Directors would like to thank the Recall 

>>>>>     Committee for its report.  The Board has taken note of the findings 

>>>>>     and decision of the Recall Committee to recall the two Policy 

>>>>>     Development Working Group co-Chairs with immediate effect.

>>>>> 

>>>>>     It is unlikely that the Policy Development Process can function in 

>>>>>     the absence of a Working Group Chair.  The Board would like to 

>>>>>     encourage the Policy Development Working Group to find a way forward.

>>>>> 

>>>>>     The Board is scheduled to meet on Wednesday 17 February to discuss the matter.

>>>>> 

>>>>>     Regards,

>>>>>     S. Moonesamy

>>>>> 

>>>>>     Board Chair, AFRINIC  

>>>>> 

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