[rpd] Community Feedback

[Paschal Ochang]

I am very happy to see that members have clarified that there are no
benefits associated with the position rather it's a call to serve
voluntarily. IMHO I will say that I was disappointed that a lot of
volunteers (candidates) backed out at the last minute in the last elections
which translates to diverse conclusions such as maybe they stepped down to
support the current chairs in performing their duties perfectly or
perhaps due to the fear of not being able to handle the responsibilities
that came with the associated role. Either way the fact that there was no
opposition to vote out the current co-chairs speaks volume in my opinion.
Why didn't it go down to the ballots? why accept their continuation and
come now to crucify them. It doesn't make sense to me. Why were the
so-called dictators supported to continue their regime of dictatorship? The
fact that they were allowed to continue for me shows that there is some
faith in their ability to do their jobs. Like Winston Churchill will say
"You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime
in your life."


On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 10:49 PM Anthony Ubah <ubah.tonyiyke at gmail.com>
wrote:


> +1

>

> From my understanding, the co-chair role is a voluntary role, and a very

> tasking one at it. The truck loads of pressure and opposition is really

> alarming and this makes the role very difficult and unattractive for the

> next sets of volunteers.

>

> There should be respect and decorum in dealing with, and most especially

> opposing them. Since it is unrealistic to please everyone, patience and

> understanding is key from us all in the community too.

>

>

> Like Daniel Yakmut has said, if it is difficult to cope with the human

> nature of the elected co-chairs,  perhaps we should seek an auto regulating

> model, and run on some sort of poll opinions. That way charts and numbers

> will settle differences and no one can have reasons to be disgruntled.

>

>

> Kind regards,

>

> Anthony

>

>

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>> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2020 21:50:48 +0100

>> From: Daniel Yakmut <yakmutd at googlemail.com>

>> To: Murungi Daniel <dmurungi at wia.co.tz>

>> Cc: "rpd >> AfriNIC Resource Policy" <rpd at afrinic.net>

>> Subject: Re: [rpd] Community Feedback

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>> Dear All,

>>

>> I really want to know what personal benefits one gets from being a

>> Co-Chair. I may wish to contest the position at the next available

>> opportunity.But of course if there is personal  benefits attached to it.

>>

>> For God sake let us show some respect to people who have agreed to do what

>> most of us cannot and will not agree to do for free.

>>

>> Whether it is said or not it is a volunteer work, however if there is

>> another name for the work of the Co-chairs let us have it.

>>

>> Possibly let us try a self regulaing PWDG and see if we make any head way

>> in this jungle we live in. No need for Co-Chairs.

>>

>> In my strongest opinion the current Co-Chairs are patient and

>> accommodating. I wonder what I will do if I was in their shoes.

>>

>> Simply,

>> Daniel

>>

>> On Dec 2, 2020 8:47 PM, "Murungi Daniel" <dmurungi at wia.co.tz> wrote:

>>

>> > Dear all,

>> >

>> > Kindly stop with the crappy ?voluntary? argument.

>> >

>> > The task of Co-chair is a position of service to the community and

>> > voluntary or not, should be held in high esteem.

>> >

>> > And yes, there is a lot to gain from serving as Co-chair.

>> >

>> >

>> > Regards,

>> > Daniel

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > On Dec 2, 2020, at 10:11 PM, Wijdane Goubi <goubi.wijdane at gmail.com>

>> > wrote:

>> >

>> > Dear community,

>> >

>> > I would like to start by saying that wanting to hurry up and end this

>> mess

>> > in order to move on and take over discussion other proposals has

>> absolutely

>> > nothing to do with fast-tracking the ongoing recall process and there is

>> > neither reason nor benefit for the co-chairs to fast-track anything at

>> all.

>> > At the same time, invoking the section 3.6 of the CPM was demanded and

>> > suggested by the community, thus, it is not fair to blame the co-chairs

>> for

>> > addressing it  and accusing them of rushing or ?fast-tracking? the

>> process.

>> > Their job is VOLUNTARY and some members make it seems like they are

>> gaining

>> > something out of it.

>> > The co-chairs acknowledge that some of the claims may be valid, and are

>> > calmly and clearly outlining the true concerns and reasons why some of

>> the

>> > community members oppose by asking for related subjects and arguments

>> and

>> > hoping for the community to give them a clear direction as to which way

>> to

>> > go and yet there is nothing but personal attacking and pointless

>> emotions.

>> > Regarding the so-called ?AFRICAN DICTATOR?, besides the fact of it being

>> > very disrespectful, it is so irrelevant, as the meaning of a ?dictator?

>> is

>> > someone who behaves in an autocratic way and a person who exercises

>> > absolute power with unrestricted control, typically one who has obtained

>> > control by force. Certainly, it does not seems to be the case with the

>> > co-chairs, as all they do, is literally dedicating themselves to their

>> job

>> > by performing their administrative functions and working hard to solve

>> the

>> > community?s concerns.

>> >

>> > Regards,

>> > Wijdane.

>> >

>> > Le mer. 2 d?c. 2020 ? 15:49, Mirriam via RPD <rpd at afrinic.net> a ?crit

>> :

>> >

>> >> Hi Ekatarina

>> >>

>> >> I read your email and I noted another baseless claim that people have

>> >> personal agendas.

>> >>

>> >> Please spell those agendas as you claim.

>> >>

>> >> I am waiting.

>> >>

>> >> Mirriam

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> On Wednesday, December 2, 2020, 5:05:15 PM GMT+3, Ekaterina Kalugina <

>> >> kay.k.prof at gmail.com> wrote:

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> Dear community,

>> >>

>> >> First of all, I would like to note that it is not fair to attack the

>> >> co-chairs on the decision to invoke the article 3.6 of the CPM. This

>> idea

>> >> is not their initiative, rather it was proposed by a community member

>> and

>> >> all the co-chairs are doing its listening to the concerns of the

>> community,

>> >> as their duties require.

>> >>

>> >> Secondly, the co-chairs are not making any unilateral decisions and

>> >> instead are asking for community feedback on the matter, again, as

>> their

>> >> duties require. But instead of giving the necessary feedback, some of

>> the

>> >> members seem to focus on personally attacking the chairs instead.

>> Also, I

>> >> really doubt that "African dictators" would ask for the feedback of the

>> >> community. Please let us stay rational here.

>> >>

>> >> Thirdly, I fail to see how the proposed policy would benefit the

>> >> co-chairs. All it does is add a few mechanisms that ensure objectivity

>> and

>> >> transparency of the recall process. This policy would ensure that the

>> >> chairs are recalled for a good reason and not because their decisions

>> got

>> >> in the way of some personal agendas.

>> >>

>> >> So let us focus on keeping the process as fair and objective as

>> possible.

>> >>

>> >> Best wishes,

>> >> Ekaterina

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> On Wed, 2 Dec 2020, 14:39 Daniel Yakmut via RPD <rpd at afrinic.net>

>> wrote:

>> >>

>> >> Good Day to All,

>> >>

>> >> There are a few sensible responses to settling the dust arising from

>> the

>> >> recall attempts of the current Co-Chairs and the new proposal to make

>> >> changes to the CPM on recall procedure. Thank you Egbon Sunday, yours

>> is

>> >> calming.

>> >>

>> >> However I will want to say thus:

>> >>

>> >> 1. There wouldn't have been all these back and forth if not that some

>> >> members of the community feel that their opinions must always be

>> accepted.

>> >> This is clearly demonstrated by the Authors of the recall document,

>> coming

>> >> with trumped up charges to secure a Recall.

>> >>

>> >> 2. The appeal for the Author of the Policy on Changes on the provisions

>> >> of recall to withdraw the proposal is a good call. But, again the

>> >> Co-authors are duty bound to act on the proposal, if it is not

>> withdrawn.

>> >> Importantly, there is no urgency on the matter. Either way the changes

>> >> being advocated cannot possibly be use in the current Recall

>> procedure, the

>> >> existing provisions will apply. Therefore, we should calm nerves

>> knowing

>> >> that the Co-Chairs will not sit in judgement on matters that affects

>> them

>> >> as been insinuated by the usual "suspects".

>> >>

>> >> 3. For me I strongly believe that within us we can resolve all matters,

>> >> there are still a few good men/women that see things clearly and

>> >> objectively. If we must add an outsider, we can have one in the Recall

>> >> committee.

>> >>

>> >> 4. While we await the actions of the Board on the constitution of the

>> >> Recall committee and the final action of the committee. I will suggest

>> that

>> >> members should give the Co-Chairs some breathing space, the bashing and

>> >> harassment is not helping.

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> Simply,

>> >>

>> >> Daniel

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> On 02/12/2020 12:47 pm, Sunday Folayan wrote:

>> >>

>> >> Dear Co-Chairs,

>> >> I am still hoping the said proposal will be withdrawn by the author, or

>> >> at the least, wait for us to learn from the implementation of the

>> current

>> >> recall provisions in the CPM.

>> >>

>> >> Please stick with the laid down process. There is no emergency, or a

>> >> reason for one.

>> >>

>> >> Greetings to the two Co-Chairs. Please relax ... uneasy lies the mouth

>> >> that eats hot Aloco!

>> >>

>> >> Sunday.

>> >> On 12/2/20 5:29 AM, ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE wrote:

>> >>

>> >> Dear PDWG Members,

>> >> We want to acknowledge the proposal on Co-Chair Recall process and the

>> >> call for us to invoke section 3.6 of the CPM given the lack of clarity

>> of

>> >> the current section on the recall process.

>> >> We note that a few have accused of not taking over similar discussions

>> in

>> >> the past and regarded it as gross misconduct.

>> >>  We hope the Community would, in the next few days give us a clear

>> >> direction as to which way to go. We hope to feed the Community back on

>> our

>> >> decisions by Saturday 5th December 2020.

>> >> We thank you for your understanding, cooperation and the continued

>> trust

>> >> in us.

>> >> Thanks

>> >> Co-Chairs

>> >> PDWG

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

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