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[rpd] REQUEST TO RECALL THE AFRINIC PDWG CO-CHAIRS
Anthony Ubah
ubah.tonyiyke at gmail.com
Tue Nov 17 16:55:47 UTC 2020
Hello Jaco
I will have to agree with Daniel.
It is sad to note that these Co-Chairs have been stretched, dragged and
bullied by members of the community since I can remember. with respect to
the policies being discussed, the co-chairs who were elected by the
community were pushed by voices in the community to take actions. Reaction
to actions taken will always be relative and comes with divided views as
before actions were taken.
They have worked under immense pressure to man such a difficult community
as our, and have endured tsunamis of pressure from different matters
arising, members and perhaps interest groups clamouring for their biddings
to be done against that of other members. What will the replacement do
differently?
Chairing a community like this at this time has proven to be very complex.
A call for their removal is unwarranted. People must learn to agree to
disagree sometimes for calm and order to ensue, or perhaps follow due
process and exercise patience for the process to run it’s course naturally.
I will also say this call it is in bad taste, and may cause a fracture in
an already battered structure.
I ran for and lost the race for one of the then-available seats in Kampala,
there I spoke about the hostility, intimidations and bulling which I felt
and still feel is resident in the community, prompting me to run. I stated
clearly that these factors are responsible for discouraging younger
generations from actively participating and bringing in fresh ideas into
the community. Today, I dared not declare interest in running for a seat in
this capacity at Afrinic again because of these persistent happenings...But
I digress
This call may set bad precedence within the community and It should be
rejected this time.
Kind regards,
Anthony
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> Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2020 18:11:25 +0200
> From: Jaco Kroon <jaco at uls.co.za>
> To: Daniel Yakmut <yakmutd at googlemail.com>, Murungi Daniel
> <dmurungi at wia.co.tz>, rpd List <rpd at afrinic.net>
> Cc: AfriNIC Board of Directors' List <board at afrinic.net>
> Subject: Re: [rpd] REQUEST TO RECALL THE AFRINIC PDWG CO-CHAIRS
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>
> Hi Daniel,
>
> I'm sorry.? I agree with Murungi, Noah, Sarah, Marcus, Gregoire,
> Fernando, Darwin and Alain.? And I need to look no further than the
> transfer policy and abuse contact policy decisions and discussions.?
> There were major concerns, trivially addressable that remained
> unaddressed.? In fact, they went right ahead and *REVERSED* existing
> policies that was already in place.? It is clear based on the
> motivations for keeping the consensus decision that they didn't in fact
> do as they said.
>
> I'm not going to work through all 9 points that was given in support of
> why they decided to let their consensus decision stand, needless to say
> I disagree with all of them (at least those that was raised to support
> their decision).
>
> I categorically state that I'm not a co author or even proponent of the
> opposing transfer policies, I'm just someone that firmly believes the
> policy that has now been pushed through was done so in violation of due
> diligence not to mention due process.
>
> Yes, I was verbal in both discussions and didn't get my way, as you so
> succinctly phrased it.? More verbal one than on the other.? On the abuse
> contact we will just have to take another shot at it at a later stage,
> on the transfer policy we will have to first see what the fallout will
> be but I believe, as others have already pointed out, the policy is
broken.
>
> Just FYI - most of the bullying came from those against the abuse
> contact policy, and the ignoring and total lack of engagement came from
> the proponents of the transfer policy ... so personally I have no doubt
> where the problem lies.? It's primarily this lack of engagement that has
> forced many of those that has similar viewpoints as myself to take the
> actions that they have.? I have no doubt in my mind that they too would
> have preferred that this not be required.
>
> Kind Regards,
> Jaco
>
> On 2020/11/17 17:20, Daniel Yakmut via RPD wrote:
> >
> > The current request for recall of the AfriNIC PDWG Co-Chairs is in bad
> > faith. I am not aware of were the Co-Chairs have been given a second
> > chance to correct any anomaly that they have committed. Therefore I
> > see no reason for this recall, I want to categorically state here that
> > the recall is engineered and being sponsored for the mere fact that
> > they couldn't have their way.
> >
> > First they attempted bullying and intimidation and since they have
> > failed at that, now they want a recall. If the Co-Chairs were not
> > performing why did we renew the position of one of the Co-Chairs in
> > the recent election. We had all the opportunity to push him out with
> > the election and we didn't. Now that the Co-Chairs have pushed through
> > the Resource Transfer document for Board's consideration, all hell is
> > loose.
> >
> > To a discerning mine, we can see that the Champions of the recall, are
> > Co-Authors and supporters of a competing Resource Transfer Policy,
> > which clearly smells of witch hunt and lack of tact. I will not
> > support, nor agree with a recall from a group of persons that have
> > personal grudge against the Co-Chairs.
> >
> > It is also glaring that the opposition to the Co-Chairs has remained
> > sustained and consistent because of sentiments.
> >
> > I have said it clearly that the community is toxic and it is beginning
> > to manifest with this attempt at recall.
> >
> > I HOPE THE BOARD WILL SEE THE BAD BLOOD IN THIS REQUEST AND DISREGARD
> > IT, IT HAS NO MERIT.
> >
> >
> > Simply,
> >
> > Daniel
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 17/11/2020 2:47 pm, Murungi Daniel wrote:
> >> Dear AFRINIC Board,
> >>
> >> Whereas I strongly believe in giving multiple chances and
> >> opportunities for people to shape up and grow into their assigned
> >> roles, the current PDWG Co-chairs have time and again demonstrated
> >> they are not up to task.?
> >>
> >> The lack of impartiality during decision making, repeated failure to
> >> tactfully handle disagreements on the list, and arguments such as
> >> "this is a volunteer position, ?? are some of the reasons why I
> >> support this recall.
> >>
> >> ?
> >> Regards,
> >> Murungi Daniel
> >>
> >>
> >>> Begin forwarded message:
> >>>
> >>> *From: *ALAIN AINA <Alain.Aina at wacren.net
> >>> <mailto:Alain.Aina at wacren.net>>
> >>> *Subject: **Re: REQUEST TO RECALL THE AFRINIC PDWG CO-CHAIRS*
> >>> *Date: *November 17, 2020 at 2:16:14 PM GMT+3
> >>> *To: *Noah <noah at neo.co.tz <mailto:noah at neo.co.tz>>
> >>> *Cc: *AfriNIC Board of Directors' List <board at afrinic.net
> >>> <mailto:board at afrinic.net>>, Eddy Kayihura <eddy at afrinic.net
> >>> <mailto:eddy at afrinic.net>>, Guylaine Laiyra <guylaine at afrinic.net
> >>> <mailto:guylaine at afrinic.net>>, Madhvi Gokool <madhvi at afrinic.net
> >>> <mailto:madhvi at afrinic.net>>, Marcus Adomey <madomey at hotmail.com
> >>> <mailto:madomey at hotmail.com>>, Mwanguhya Daniel Murungi
> >>> <dmurungi at wia.co.tz <mailto:dmurungi at wia.co.tz>>, skiden at gmail.com
> >>> <mailto:skiden at gmail.com>, Gregoire EHOUMI <gregoire at ehoumi.net
> >>> <mailto:gregoire at ehoumi.net>>, SamiSalih <sami at ntc.gov.sd
> >>> <mailto:sami at ntc.gov.sd>>, sami <sami at tpra.gov.sd
> >>> <mailto:sami at tpra.gov.sd>>, Darwin Costa <dc at darwincosta.com
> >>> <mailto:dc at darwincosta.com>>, Mirriam <mirriamlauren at yahoo.com
> >>> <mailto:mirriamlauren at yahoo.com>>, Fernando Frediani
> >>> <fhfrediani at gmail.com <mailto:fhfrediani at gmail.com>>
> >>>
> >>> Dear AFRINIC Board of Directors,
> >>>
> >>> I fully support this recall. ?I have been active in the ?AFRINIC PDP
> >>> since its inception and had never witnessed what is happening with
> >>> these two cochairs.
> >>>
> >>> Failure to respect principle 3 of ICP-2 will ?question AFRINIC
> >>> legitimacy.
> >>>
> >>> ?Alain
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On 16 Nov 2020, at 11:57, Noah <noah at neo.co.tz
> >>>> <mailto:noah at neo.co.tz>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Dear AFRINIC Board of Directors,
> >>>>
> >>>> We write to ask for the current PDWG co-chairs to be recalled.
> >>>> Attached is the document with the justifications. ?We present the
> >>>> course of events since the election of the co-chairs at AFRINIC-30
> >>>> to recent virtual AFRINIC-32, describing the inappropriateness in
> >>>> the co-chairs behaviours, the impacts on the working group
> >>>> performance and on the AFRINIC development process.
> >>>>
> >>>> We conclude with the necessity to recall the co-chairs as the
> >>>> unique solution to restore the normal operations of the AFRINIC
> >>>> policy development working group in order to fulfil the RIR?s
> >>>> commitment to a bottom-up, open and transparent policies
> >>>> development process accessible to all interested parties.
> >>>>
> >>>> We the members of the PDWG humbly submit
> >>>>
> >>>> ./noah
> >>>> neo - network engineering and operations
> >>>> <PDWG-Co-chairs-recall-request-and-replacement.pdf>
> >>>
> >>> Begin forwarded message:
> >>>
> >>> *From: *Sarah Kiden <skiden at gmail.com <mailto:skiden at gmail.com>>
> >>> *Subject: **Re: REQUEST TO RECALL THE AFRINIC PDWG CO-CHAIRS*
> >>> *Date: *November 17, 2020 at 2:51:49 PM GMT+3
> >>> *To: *Noah <noah at neo.co.tz <mailto:noah at neo.co.tz>>
> >>> *Cc: *ALAIN AINA <alain.Aina at wacren.net
> >>> <mailto:alain.Aina at wacren.net>>, "AfriNIC Board of Directors' List"
> >>> <board at afrinic.net <mailto:board at afrinic.net>>, Darwin Costa
> >>> <dc at darwincosta.com <mailto:dc at darwincosta.com>>, Eddy Kayihura
> >>> <eddy at afrinic.net <mailto:eddy at afrinic.net>>, Fernando Frediani
> >>> <fhfrediani at gmail.com <mailto:fhfrediani at gmail.com>>, Gregoire
> >>> EHOUMI <gregoire at ehoumi.net <mailto:gregoire at ehoumi.net>>, Guylaine
> >>> Laiyra <guylaine at afrinic.net <mailto:guylaine at afrinic.net>>, Madhvi
> >>> Gokool <madhvi at afrinic.net <mailto:madhvi at afrinic.net>>, Marcus
> >>> Adomey <madomey at hotmail.com <mailto:madomey at hotmail.com>>, Mirriam
> >>> <mirriamlauren at yahoo.com <mailto:mirriamlauren at yahoo.com>>,
> >>> Mwanguhya Daniel Murungi <dmurungi at wia.co.tz
> >>> <mailto:dmurungi at wia.co.tz>>, SamiSalih <sami at ntc.gov.sd
> >>> <mailto:sami at ntc.gov.sd>>, sami <sami at tpra.gov.sd
> >>> <mailto:sami at tpra.gov.sd>>
> >>>
> >>> Dear all,
> >>>
> >>> I would also like to support this request. While I do not believe
> >>> that we should compare leadership styles of, previous co-chairs
> >>> handled due process well and respected community contributions.?
> >>>
> >>> Thank you,
> >>>
> >>> Sarah?
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, 16 Nov 2020 at 11:57, Noah <noah at neo.co.tz
> >>> <mailto:noah at neo.co.tz>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Dear AFRINIC Board of Directors,
> >>>
> >>> We write to ask for the current PDWG co-chairs to be recalled.
> >>> Attached is the document with the justifications.? We present
> >>> the course of events since the election of the co-chairs at
> >>> AFRINIC-30 to recent virtual AFRINIC-32, describing the
> >>> inappropriateness in the co-chairs behaviours, the impacts on
> >>> the working group performance and on the AFRINIC development
> >>> process.?
> >>>
> >>> We conclude with the necessity to recall the co-chairs as the
> >>> unique solution to restore the normal operations of the AFRINIC
> >>> policy development working group in order to fulfil the RIR?s
> >>> commitment to a bottom-up, open and transparent policies
> >>> development process accessible to all interested parties.
> >>>
> >>> We the members of the PDWG humbly submit
> >>> *?*
> >>> *./noah*
> >>> neo - network engineering and operations*
> >>> *
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Sent from Gmail Mobile
> >>> Begin forwarded message:
> >>>
> >>> *From: *Noah <noah at neo.co.tz <mailto:noah at neo.co.tz>>
> >>> *Subject: **REQUEST TO RECALL THE AFRINIC PDWG CO-CHAIRS*
> >>> *Date: *November 16, 2020 at 2:57:19 PM GMT+3
> >>> *To: *"AfriNIC Board of Directors' List" <board at afrinic.net
> >>> <mailto:board at afrinic.net>>, Eddy Kayihura <eddy at afrinic.net
> >>> <mailto:eddy at afrinic.net>>
> >>> *Cc: *Guylaine Laiyra <guylaine at afrinic.net
> >>> <mailto:guylaine at afrinic.net>>, Madhvi Gokool <madhvi at afrinic.net
> >>> <mailto:madhvi at afrinic.net>>, Marcus Adomey <madomey at hotmail.com
> >>> <mailto:madomey at hotmail.com>>, Mwanguhya Daniel Murungi
> >>> <dmurungi at wia.co.tz <mailto:dmurungi at wia.co.tz>>, skiden at gmail.com
> >>> <mailto:skiden at gmail.com>, Gregoire EHOUMI <gregoire at ehoumi.net
> >>> <mailto:gregoire at ehoumi.net>>, ALAIN AINA <alain.Aina at wacren.net
> >>> <mailto:alain.Aina at wacren.net>>, SamiSalih <sami at ntc.gov.sd
> >>> <mailto:sami at ntc.gov.sd>>, sami <sami at tpra.gov.sd
> >>> <mailto:sami at tpra.gov.sd>>, Darwin Costa <dc at darwincosta.com
> >>> <mailto:dc at darwincosta.com>>, Mirriam <mirriamlauren at yahoo.com
> >>> <mailto:mirriamlauren at yahoo.com>>, Fernando Frediani
> >>> <fhfrediani at gmail.com <mailto:fhfrediani at gmail.com>>
> >>>
> >>> Dear AFRINIC Board of Directors,
> >>>
> >>> We write to ask for the current PDWG co-chairs to be recalled.
> >>> Attached is the document with the justifications.? We present the
> >>> course of events since the election of the co-chairs at AFRINIC-30
> >>> to recent virtual AFRINIC-32, describing the inappropriateness in
> >>> the co-chairs behaviours, the impacts on the working group
> >>> performance and on the AFRINIC development process.?
> >>>
> >>> We conclude with the necessity to recall the co-chairs as the unique
> >>> solution to restore the normal operations of the AFRINIC policy
> >>> development working group in order to fulfil the RIR?s commitment to
> >>> a bottom-up, open and transparent policies development process
> >>> accessible to all interested parties.
> >>>
> >>> We the members of the PDWG humbly submit
> >>> *?*
> >>> *./noah*
> >>> neo - network engineering and operations*
> >>> *
> >>
> >>> Begin forwarded message:
> >>>
> >>> *From: *"Marcus K. G. Adomey" <madomey at hotmail.com
> >>> <mailto:madomey at hotmail.com>>
> >>> *Subject: **Re: REQUEST TO RECALL THE AFRINIC PDWG CO-CHAIRS*
> >>> *Date: *November 17, 2020 at 1:28:22 PM GMT+3
> >>> *To: *AfriNIC Board of Directors' List <board at afrinic.net
> >>> <mailto:board at afrinic.net>>, Gregoire Ehoumi <gregoire at ehoumi.net
> >>> <mailto:gregoire at ehoumi.net>>
> >>> *Cc: *Eddy Kayihura <eddy at afrinic.net <mailto:eddy at afrinic.net>>,
> >>> Guylaine Laiyra <guylaine at afrinic.net
> >>> <mailto:guylaine at afrinic.net>>, Madhvi Gokool <madhvi at afrinic.net
> >>> <mailto:madhvi at afrinic.net>>, Mwanguhya Daniel Murungi
> >>> <dmurungi at wia.co.tz <mailto:dmurungi at wia.co.tz>>, "skiden at gmail.com
> >>> <mailto:skiden at gmail.com>" <skiden at gmail.com
> >>> <mailto:skiden at gmail.com>>, ALAIN AINA <alain.Aina at wacren.net
> >>> <mailto:alain.Aina at wacren.net>>, SamiSalih <sami at ntc.gov.sd
> >>> <mailto:sami at ntc.gov.sd>>, sami <sami at tpra.gov.sd
> >>> <mailto:sami at tpra.gov.sd>>, Darwin Costa <dc at darwincosta.com
> >>> <mailto:dc at darwincosta.com>>, Mirriam <mirriamlauren at yahoo.com
> >>> <mailto:mirriamlauren at yahoo.com>>, Fernando Frediani
> >>> <fhfrediani at gmail.com <mailto:fhfrediani at gmail.com>>, Noah
> >>> <noah at neo.co.tz <mailto:noah at neo.co.tz>>
> >>>
> >>> Dear Afrinic Board members
> >>>
> >>> This is to confirm my unreserved support to the recall of the
co-chairs
> >>>
> >>> Kind Regards
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Marcus Adomey
> >>>
> >>> Sent from Outlook Mobile <https://aka.ms/blhgte>
> >>>
> >>>
------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>> *From:* Gregoire Ehoumi <gregoire at ehoumi.net
> >>> <mailto:gregoire at ehoumi.net>>
> >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 17, 2020 5:20:13 AM
> >>> *To:* AfriNIC Board of Directors' List <board at afrinic.net
> >>> <mailto:board at afrinic.net>>
> >>> *Cc:* Eddy Kayihura <eddy at afrinic.net <mailto:eddy at afrinic.net>>;
> >>> Guylaine Laiyra <guylaine at afrinic.net
> >>> <mailto:guylaine at afrinic.net>>; Madhvi Gokool <madhvi at afrinic.net
> >>> <mailto:madhvi at afrinic.net>>; Marcus Adomey <madomey at hotmail.com
> >>> <mailto:madomey at hotmail.com>>; Mwanguhya Daniel Murungi
> >>> <dmurungi at wia.co.tz <mailto:dmurungi at wia.co.tz>>; skiden at gmail.com
> >>> <mailto:skiden at gmail.com> <skiden at gmail.com
> >>> <mailto:skiden at gmail.com>>; ALAIN AINA <alain.Aina at wacren.net
> >>> <mailto:alain.Aina at wacren.net>>; SamiSalih <sami at ntc.gov.sd
> >>> <mailto:sami at ntc.gov.sd>>; sami <sami at tpra.gov.sd
> >>> <mailto:sami at tpra.gov.sd>>; Darwin Costa <dc at darwincosta.com
> >>> <mailto:dc at darwincosta.com>>; Mirriam <mirriamlauren at yahoo.com
> >>> <mailto:mirriamlauren at yahoo.com>>; Fernando Frediani
> >>> <fhfrediani at gmail.com <mailto:fhfrediani at gmail.com>>; Noah
> >>> <noah at neo.co.tz <mailto:noah at neo.co.tz>>
> >>> *Subject:* Re: REQUEST TO RECALL THE AFRINIC PDWG CO-CHAIRS
> >>> ?
> >>> Dear AFRINIC Board of Directors,
> >>>
> >>> I fully support this request to recall the PDWG Co-chairs and
> >>> believe that something needs to be done quickly and recall is the
> >>> only option to restore AFRINIC Policy Development Working Group.
> >>>
> >>> Best regards,
> >>>
> >>> Gregoire EHOUMI
> >>>
> >>>> On Nov 16, 2020, at 6:57 AM, Noah <noah at neo.co.tz
> >>>> <mailto:noah at neo.co.tz>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Dear AFRINIC Board of Directors,
> >>>>
> >>>> We write to ask for the current PDWG co-chairs to be recalled.
> >>>> Attached is the document with the justifications.? We present the
> >>>> course of events since the election of the co-chairs at AFRINIC-30
> >>>> to recent virtual AFRINIC-32, describing the inappropriateness in
> >>>> the co-chairs behaviours, the impacts on the working group
> >>>> performance and on the AFRINIC development process.?
> >>>>
> >>>> We conclude with the necessity to recall the co-chairs as the
> >>>> unique solution to restore the normal operations of the AFRINIC
> >>>> policy development working group in order to fulfil the RIR?s
> >>>> commitment to a bottom-up, open and transparent policies
> >>>> development process accessible to all interested parties.
> >>>>
> >>>> We the members of the PDWG humbly submit
> >>>> *?*
> >>>> *./noah*
> >>>> neo - network engineering and operations*
> >>>> *
> >>>> <PDWG-Co-chairs-recall-request-and-replacement.pdf>
> >>>
> >>> Begin forwarded message:
> >>>
> >>> *From: *Gregoire Ehoumi <gregoire at ehoumi.net
> >>> <mailto:gregoire at ehoumi.net>>
> >>> *Subject: **Re: REQUEST TO RECALL THE AFRINIC PDWG CO-CHAIRS*
> >>> *Date: *November 17, 2020 at 8:20:13 AM GMT+3
> >>> *To: *AfriNIC Board of Directors' List <board at afrinic.net
> >>> <mailto:board at afrinic.net>>
> >>> *Cc: *Eddy Kayihura <eddy at afrinic.net <mailto:eddy at afrinic.net>>,
> >>> Guylaine Laiyra <guylaine at afrinic.net
> >>> <mailto:guylaine at afrinic.net>>, Madhvi Gokool <madhvi at afrinic.net
> >>> <mailto:madhvi at afrinic.net>>, Marcus Adomey <madomey at hotmail.com
> >>> <mailto:madomey at hotmail.com>>, Mwanguhya Daniel Murungi
> >>> <dmurungi at wia.co.tz <mailto:dmurungi at wia.co.tz>>, skiden at gmail.com
> >>> <mailto:skiden at gmail.com>, ALAIN AINA <alain.Aina at wacren.net
> >>> <mailto:alain.Aina at wacren.net>>, SamiSalih <sami at ntc.gov.sd
> >>> <mailto:sami at ntc.gov.sd>>, sami <sami at tpra.gov.sd
> >>> <mailto:sami at tpra.gov.sd>>, Darwin Costa <dc at darwincosta.com
> >>> <mailto:dc at darwincosta.com>>, Mirriam <mirriamlauren at yahoo.com
> >>> <mailto:mirriamlauren at yahoo.com>>, Fernando Frediani
> >>> <fhfrediani at gmail.com <mailto:fhfrediani at gmail.com>>, Noah
> >>> <noah at neo.co.tz <mailto:noah at neo.co.tz>>
> >>>
> >>> Dear AFRINIC Board of Directors,
> >>>
> >>> I fully support this request to recall the PDWG Co-chairs and
> >>> believe that something needs to be done quickly and recall is the
> >>> only option to restore AFRINIC Policy Development Working Group.
> >>>
> >>> Best regards,
> >>>
> >>> Gregoire EHOUMI
> >>>
> >>>> On Nov 16, 2020, at 6:57 AM, Noah <noah at neo.co.tz
> >>>> <mailto:noah at neo.co.tz>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Dear AFRINIC Board of Directors,
> >>>>
> >>>> We write to ask for the current PDWG co-chairs to be recalled.
> >>>> Attached is the document with the justifications.? We present the
> >>>> course of events since the election of the co-chairs at AFRINIC-30
> >>>> to recent virtual AFRINIC-32, describing the inappropriateness in
> >>>> the co-chairs behaviours, the impacts on the working group
> >>>> performance and on the AFRINIC development process.?
> >>>>
> >>>> We conclude with the necessity to recall the co-chairs as the
> >>>> unique solution to restore the normal operations of the AFRINIC
> >>>> policy development working group in order to fulfil the RIR?s
> >>>> commitment to a bottom-up, open and transparent policies
> >>>> development process accessible to all interested parties.
> >>>>
> >>>> We the members of the PDWG humbly submit
> >>>> *?*
> >>>> *./noah*
> >>>> neo - network engineering and operations*
> >>>> *
> >>>> <PDWG-Co-chairs-recall-request-and-replacement.pdf>
> >>>
> >>> Begin forwarded message:
> >>>
> >>> *From: *Fernando Frediani <fhfrediani at gmail.com
> >>> <mailto:fhfrediani at gmail.com>>
> >>> *Subject: **Re: REQUEST TO RECALL THE AFRINIC PDWG CO-CHAIRS*
> >>> *Date: *November 16, 2020 at 3:51:50 PM GMT+3
> >>> *To: *Noah <noah at neo.co.tz <mailto:noah at neo.co.tz>>, AfriNIC Board
> >>> of Directors' List <board at afrinic.net <mailto:board at afrinic.net>>,
> >>> Eddy Kayihura <eddy at afrinic.net <mailto:eddy at afrinic.net>>
> >>> *Cc: *Guylaine Laiyra <guylaine at afrinic.net
> >>> <mailto:guylaine at afrinic.net>>, Madhvi Gokool <madhvi at afrinic.net
> >>> <mailto:madhvi at afrinic.net>>, Marcus Adomey <madomey at hotmail.com
> >>> <mailto:madomey at hotmail.com>>, Mwanguhya Daniel Murungi
> >>> <dmurungi at wia.co.tz <mailto:dmurungi at wia.co.tz>>, skiden at gmail.com
> >>> <mailto:skiden at gmail.com>, Gregoire EHOUMI <gregoire at ehoumi.net
> >>> <mailto:gregoire at ehoumi.net>>, ALAIN AINA <alain.Aina at wacren.net
> >>> <mailto:alain.Aina at wacren.net>>, SamiSalih <sami at ntc.gov.sd
> >>> <mailto:sami at ntc.gov.sd>>, sami <sami at tpra.gov.sd
> >>> <mailto:sami at tpra.gov.sd>>, Darwin Costa <dc at darwincosta.com
> >>> <mailto:dc at darwincosta.com>>, Mirriam <mirriamlauren at yahoo.com
> >>> <mailto:mirriamlauren at yahoo.com>>
> >>>
> >>> Dear AFRINIC Board of Directors,
> >>>
> >>> I confirm my support to this Recall request and hope that stability
> >>> can be brought back to AFRINIC Policy Development Working Group for
> >>> the benefit of the region.
> >>>
> >>> Regards
> >>> Fernando Frediani
> >>>
> >>> On 16/11/2020 08:57, Noah wrote:
> >>>> Dear AFRINIC Board of Directors,
> >>>>
> >>>> We write to ask for the current PDWG co-chairs to be recalled.
> >>>> Attached is the document with the justifications.? We present the
> >>>> course of events since the election of the co-chairs at AFRINIC-30
> >>>> to recent virtual AFRINIC-32, describing the inappropriateness in
> >>>> the co-chairs behaviours, the impacts on the working group
> >>>> performance and on the AFRINIC development process.?
> >>>>
> >>>> We conclude with the necessity to recall the co-chairs as the
> >>>> unique solution to restore the normal operations of the AFRINIC
> >>>> policy development working group in order to fulfil the RIR?s
> >>>> commitment to a bottom-up, open and transparent policies
> >>>> development process accessible to all interested parties.
> >>>>
> >>>> We the members of the PDWG humbly submit
> >>>> *?*
> >>>> *./noah*
> >>>> neo - network engineering and operations*
> >>>> *
> >>> Begin forwarded message:
> >>>
> >>> *From: *"S. Moonesamy" <sm at afrinic.net <mailto:sm at afrinic.net>>
> >>> *Subject: **Re: [Board-Discuss] REQUEST TO RECALL THE AFRINIC PDWG
> >>> CO-CHAIRS*
> >>> *Date: *November 16, 2020 at 9:18:24 PM GMT+3
> >>> *To: *Noah <noah at neo.co.tz <mailto:noah at neo.co.tz>>,Mwanguhya Daniel
> >>> Murungi <dmurungi at wia.co.tz <mailto:dmurungi at wia.co.tz>>,
> >>> skiden at gmail.com <mailto:skiden at gmail.com>,Marcus Adomey
> >>> <madomey at hotmail.com <mailto:madomey at hotmail.com>>, Darwin Costa
> >>> <dc at darwincosta.com <mailto:dc at darwincosta.com>>,ALAIN AINA
> >>> <alain.Aina at wacren.net <mailto:alain.Aina at wacren.net>>, sami
> >>> <sami at tpra.gov.sd <mailto:sami at tpra.gov.sd>>,SamiSalih
> >>> <sami at ntc.gov.sd <mailto:sami at ntc.gov.sd>>, Gregoire EHOUMI
> >>> <gregoire at ehoumi.net <mailto:gregoire at ehoumi.net>>,Mirriam
> >>> <mirriamlauren at yahoo.com <mailto:mirriamlauren at yahoo.com>>, Fernando
> >>> Frediani <fhfrediani at gmail.com <mailto:fhfrediani at gmail.com>>
> >>> *Cc: *"AFRINIC Board of Directors' List" <board at afrinic.net
> >>> <mailto:board at afrinic.net>>
> >>>
> >>> Dear Sir/Madam,
> >>>
> >>> The Board received a request from you to recall the PDWG co-Chairs.
> >>> ?The matter will be on the Board agenda at the meeting scheduled for
> >>> 25 November.
> >>>
> >>> I will inform the PDWG co-Chairs about your request as a matter of
> >>> fairness.
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> S. Moonesamy
> >>>
> >>> Board Chair, AFRINIC
> >>> Mobile: +230 5824 5410
> >>> Begin forwarded message:
> >>>
> >>> *From: *Noah <noah at neo.co.tz <mailto:noah at neo.co.tz>>
> >>> *Subject: **Re: [Board-Discuss] REQUEST TO RECALL THE AFRINIC PDWG
> >>> CO-CHAIRS*
> >>> *Date: *November 16, 2020 at 9:26:09 PM GMT+3
> >>> *To: *"S. Moonesamy" <sm at afrinic.net <mailto:sm at afrinic.net>>
> >>> *Cc: *Mwanguhya Daniel Murungi <dmurungi at wia.co.tz
> >>> <mailto:dmurungi at wia.co.tz>>, skiden at gmail.com
> >>> <mailto:skiden at gmail.com>, Marcus Adomey <madomey at hotmail.com
> >>> <mailto:madomey at hotmail.com>>, Darwin Costa <dc at darwincosta.com
> >>> <mailto:dc at darwincosta.com>>, ALAIN AINA <alain.Aina at wacren.net
> >>> <mailto:alain.Aina at wacren.net>>, sami <sami at tpra.gov.sd
> >>> <mailto:sami at tpra.gov.sd>>, SamiSalih <sami at ntc.gov.sd
> >>> <mailto:sami at ntc.gov.sd>>, Gregoire EHOUMI <gregoire at ehoumi.net
> >>> <mailto:gregoire at ehoumi.net>>, Mirriam <mirriamlauren at yahoo.com
> >>> <mailto:mirriamlauren at yahoo.com>>, Fernando Frediani
> >>> <fhfrediani at gmail.com <mailto:fhfrediani at gmail.com>>, "AFRINIC Board
> >>> of Directors' List" <board at afrinic.net <mailto:board at afrinic.net>>
> >>>
> >>> Hi Chair
> >>>
> >>> Thank you so much for your email and acknowledging receipt of the
same.
> >>>
> >>> Please inform the cochairs by all means.
> >>>
> >>> Cheers?
> >>> Noah
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, 16 Nov 2020, 21:19 S. Moonesamy, <sm at afrinic.net
> >>> <mailto:sm at afrinic.net>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Dear Sir/Madam,
> >>>
> >>> The Board received a request from you to recall the PDWG
> >>> co-Chairs.? The matter will be on the Board agenda at the meeting
> >>> scheduled for 25 November.
> >>>
> >>> I will inform the PDWG co-Chairs about your request as a matter
> >>> of fairness.
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> S. Moonesamy
> >>>
> >>> Board Chair, AFRINIC
> >>> Mobile: +230 5824 5410
> >>>
> >>> Begin forwarded message:
> >>>
> >>> *From: *Mirriam <mirriamlauren at yahoo.com
> >>> <mailto:mirriamlauren at yahoo.com>>
> >>> *Subject: **Re: REQUEST TO RECALL THE AFRINIC PDWG CO-CHAIRS*
> >>> *Date: *November 16, 2020 at 5:28:13 PM GMT+3
> >>> *To: *Noah <noah at neo.co.tz <mailto:noah at neo.co.tz>>, AfriNIC Board
> >>> of Directors' List <board at afrinic.net <mailto:board at afrinic.net>>,
> >>> Eddy Kayihura <eddy at afrinic.net <mailto:eddy at afrinic.net>>, Fernando
> >>> Frediani <fhfrediani at gmail.com <mailto:fhfrediani at gmail.com>>
> >>> *Cc: *Guylaine Laiyra <guylaine at afrinic.net
> >>> <mailto:guylaine at afrinic.net>>, Madhvi Gokool <madhvi at afrinic.net
> >>> <mailto:madhvi at afrinic.net>>, Marcus Adomey <madomey at hotmail.com
> >>> <mailto:madomey at hotmail.com>>, Mwanguhya Daniel Murungi
> >>> <dmurungi at wia.co.tz <mailto:dmurungi at wia.co.tz>>, "skiden at gmail.com
> >>> <mailto:skiden at gmail.com>" <skiden at gmail.com
> >>> <mailto:skiden at gmail.com>>, Gregoire EHOUMI <gregoire at ehoumi.net
> >>> <mailto:gregoire at ehoumi.net>>, ALAIN AINA <alain.aina at wacren.net
> >>> <mailto:alain.aina at wacren.net>>, SamiSalih <sami at ntc.gov.sd
> >>> <mailto:sami at ntc.gov.sd>>, sami <sami at tpra.gov.sd
> >>> <mailto:sami at tpra.gov.sd>>, Darwin Costa <dc at darwincosta.com
> >>> <mailto:dc at darwincosta.com>>
> >>> *Reply-To: *Mirriam <mirriamlauren at yahoo.com
> >>> <mailto:mirriamlauren at yahoo.com>>
> >>>
> >>> Dear AFRINIC Board of Directors,
> >>>
> >>> /?/I do strongly support the Recall request considering how
> >>> frustrating and unstable the Co-chairs have proven from time to time
> >>> to be incompetent and biased yet given their position they need to
> >>> be Neutral.
> >>>
> >>> Crippling the policies which would see us as a region grow puts
> >>> AFRINIC at risk and
> >>> slow development which means we will never catch up with the rest of
> >>> the world.
> >>>
> >>> We need to get our fundamentals right and this needs to be done soon.
> >>>
> >>> Regards
> >>> Mirriam.
> >>>
> >>> On Monday, November 16, 2020, 4:14:52 PM GMT+3, Fernando Frediani
> >>> <fhfrediani at gmail.com <mailto:fhfrediani at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Dear AFRINIC Board of Directors,
> >>>
> >>> I confirm my support to this Recall request and hope that stability
> >>> can be brought back to AFRINIC Policy Development Working Group for
> >>> the benefit of the region.
> >>>
> >>> Regards
> >>> Fernando Frediani
> >>>
> >>> On 16/11/2020 08:57, Noah wrote:
> >>> Dear AFRINIC Board of Directors,
> >>>
> >>> We write to ask for the current PDWG co-chairs to be recalled.
> >>> Attached is the document with the justifications.? We present the
> >>> course of events since the election of the co-chairs at AFRINIC-30
> >>> to recent virtual AFRINIC-32, describing the inappropriateness in
> >>> the co-chairs behaviours, the impacts on the working group
> >>> performance and on the AFRINIC development process.?
> >>>
> >>> We conclude with the necessity to recall the co-chairs as the unique
> >>> solution to restore the normal operations of the AFRINIC policy
> >>> development working group in order to fulfil the RIR?s commitment to
> >>> a bottom-up, open and transparent policies development process
> >>> accessible to all interested parties.
> >>>
> >>> We the members of the PDWG humbly submit
> >>> *?*
> >>> *./noah*
> >>> neo - network engineering and operations*
> >>> *
> >>> Begin forwarded message:
> >>>
> >>> *From: *Darwin Costa <dc at darwincosta.com <mailto:dc at darwincosta.com>>
> >>> *Subject: **Re: REQUEST TO RECALL THE AFRINIC PDWG CO-CHAIRS*
> >>> *Date: *November 16, 2020 at 5:56:35 PM GMT+3
> >>> *To: *Mirriam <mirriamlauren at yahoo.com <mailto:mirriamlauren at yahoo.com
>>
> >>> *Cc: *Noah <noah at neo.co.tz <mailto:noah at neo.co.tz>>, AfriNIC Board
> >>> of Directors' List <board at afrinic.net <mailto:board at afrinic.net>>,
> >>> Eddy Kayihura <eddy at afrinic.net <mailto:eddy at afrinic.net>>, Fernando
> >>> Frediani <fhfrediani at gmail.com <mailto:fhfrediani at gmail.com>>,
> >>> Guylaine Laiyra <guylaine at afrinic.net
> >>> <mailto:guylaine at afrinic.net>>, Madhvi Gokool <madhvi at afrinic.net
> >>> <mailto:madhvi at afrinic.net>>, Marcus Adomey <madomey at hotmail.com
> >>> <mailto:madomey at hotmail.com>>, Mwanguhya Daniel Murungi
> >>> <dmurungi at wia.co.tz <mailto:dmurungi at wia.co.tz>>, "skiden at gmail.com
> >>> <mailto:skiden at gmail.com>" <skiden at gmail.com
> >>> <mailto:skiden at gmail.com>>, Gregoire EHOUMI <gregoire at ehoumi.net
> >>> <mailto:gregoire at ehoumi.net>>, ALAIN AINA <alain.aina at wacren.net
> >>> <mailto:alain.aina at wacren.net>>, SamiSalih <sami at ntc.gov.sd
> >>> <mailto:sami at ntc.gov.sd>>, sami <sami at tpra.gov.sd
> >>> <mailto:sami at tpra.gov.sd>>
> >>>
> >>> Dear Afrinic Board of Directors,
> >>>
> >>> I confirm my support to the recall request.
> >>>
> >>> Warm Regards,
> >>>
> >>> Darwin-.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On 16 Nov 2020, at 15:28, Mirriam <mirriamlauren at yahoo.com
> >>>> <mailto:mirriamlauren at yahoo.com>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Dear AFRINIC Board of Directors,
> >>>>
> >>>> /?/I do strongly support the Recall request considering how
> >>>> frustrating and unstable the Co-chairs have proven from time to
> >>>> time to be incompetent and biased yet given their position they
> >>>> need to be Neutral.
> >>>>
> >>>> Crippling the policies which would see us as a region grow puts
> >>>> AFRINIC at risk and
> >>>> slow development which means we will never catch up with the rest
> >>>> of the world.
> >>>>
> >>>> We need to get our fundamentals right and this needs to be done soon.
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards
> >>>> Mirriam.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Monday, November 16, 2020, 4:14:52 PM GMT+3, Fernando Frediani
> >>>> <fhfrediani at gmail.com <mailto:fhfrediani at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Dear AFRINIC Board of Directors,
> >>>>
> >>>> I confirm my support to this Recall request and hope that stability
> >>>> can be brought back to AFRINIC Policy Development Working Group for
> >>>> the benefit of the region.
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards
> >>>> Fernando Frediani
> >>>>
> >>>> On 16/11/2020 08:57, Noah wrote:
> >>>> Dear AFRINIC Board of Directors,
> >>>>
> >>>> We write to ask for the current PDWG co-chairs to be recalled.
> >>>> Attached is the document with the justifications.? We present the
> >>>> course of events since the election of the co-chairs at AFRINIC-30
> >>>> to recent virtual AFRINIC-32, describing the inappropriateness in
> >>>> the co-chairs behaviours, the impacts on the working group
> >>>> performance and on the AFRINIC development process.?
> >>>>
> >>>> We conclude with the necessity to recall the co-chairs as the
> >>>> unique solution to restore the normal operations of the AFRINIC
> >>>> policy development working group in order to fulfil the RIR?s
> >>>> commitment to a bottom-up, open and transparent policies
> >>>> development process accessible to all interested parties.
> >>>>
> >>>> We the members of the PDWG humbly submit
> >>>> *?*
> >>>> *./noah*
> >>>> neo - network engineering and operations*
> >>>> *
> >>>
> >>
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