[rpd] Resource Transfer Policy_Text revision

[ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE]

Dear Community,
We need to come to a final decision on this proposal. We have allowed more
than the initial 1 week for extensive discussion on this proposal currently
on last call. It seems all comments are now exhausted. However, we would
like to give 24 hours more for any final addition, comment or observation.
Thanks

Co-Chair PDWG.

On Fri, Nov 6, 2020 at 3:06 AM Ibeanusi Elvis <ibeanusielvis at gmail.com>
wrote:


> Dear Community; Dear All,

>

> The proposal reached consensus following the necessary procedure, with the

> full participation of the Working Group and contributions from the RDP. The

> “protest” and “controversy” are just normal disagreements which is part of

> the RDP. After the consensus was reached during the PPM, the next stage

> of the CPM is the Last Call, and the editorial changes are allowed during

> the two weeks period of the last call. Hence, these changes that were made

> to the proposal are legal in accordance with the CPM. Following the line

> of implementation, a proposal can only go back to discussion if the draft

> proposal did not reach consensus and hence, didn’t move to the last call

> stage. Also, it clearly reached a consensus and saying it never did means

> disregarding the decisions made during the PPM. First, every decision

> made by the co-chairs is made on behalf of the PDP and hence, the consensus

> decision was made. Though appealed twice, but on invalid reasons and thus,

> the appeals were rejected. The Last call period is meant to last for two

> weeks but due to the views of some that were against the proposal and

> requested for more time to deliberate on the proposal and such was

> approved. With the last call extended, editorial changes are also allowed

> to take place since we are still in the period of last call. The major

> issue which led to non-reciprocity with the other RIRs, has been resolved

> and submitted to the RIR, the AFRINIC is currently waiting for the response

> of other RIRs especially ARIN. Also, the Resource Transfer policy is a

> needed and necessary policy specifically with the exhaustion of IPv4.

> Instead, let’s work together for the technological development and

> enhancement of business and the internet in the AFRINIC and African region.

>

>

> Best regards,

> Ibeanusi Elvis .C.

>

> On Nov 5, 2020, at 3:33, Wijdane Goubi <goubi.wijdane at gmail.com> wrote:

>

>

>>

>> Dear community,

>>

>> *> This proposal has been very controversial and had a reached

>> 'consensus' according to the Co-Chais understanding despite the many

>> protests from many people from this group.*

>>

>> This proposal has reached consensus because, again, it was deserved. The

>> proposal took enough time to get discussed and it had solved all the

>> concerns that were raised by the community.

>>

>> *> After the 'consensus' was declared in the PPM the proposal suffered

>> significant changes in the text, some of them as put conditional by the

>> Co-Chairs for the consensus, something really odd. To mention one of the

>> changes the one that changes legacy resources status from one thing to the

>> contrary of that. - These changes made after the PPM were never given

>> enough time for the WG to discuss it properly. One of the points that

>> changed about the Legacy Status had NEVER been discussed in the several

>> months of discussion by the WG.*

>>

>> There was enough time, several months as you said to discuss what raises

>> your concerns ,and yet nothing remains unsolved, to the point that would

>> make the proposal problematic.

>>

>>

>> *> During the Last-Call there were countless requests for this proposal

>> to be put back into discussion again as clearly it never reached consensus*

>>

>>

>>

>> Why would the proposal be put back into discussion after it has reached

>> consensus? That’s not how the pdp works. The authors were even

>> understanding enough to keep listening to the community’s remarks after the

>> consensus was reached, and work by them. We are in no position to keep

>> wasting time on a much needed policy.

>>

>>

>> >* After the Last-call the Co-Chais decision about this 'consensus' was

>> appealed, twice.*

>>

>> It was appealed for non-valid reasons that you can go back to check in

>> the relevant thread.

>> >

>> *Co-Chairs made something unprecedented after confirming the consensus

>> brought the proposal back to Last-call. - During the first and second

>> Last-call periods the proposal received at least 3 new versions, which some

>> insist to call "editorial review" but change several and significant parts

>> showing the proposal was not ready to progress and is been rush at any cost

>> to pass.*

>>

>> If there is any reason for rushing the proposal to pass, it would only be

>> to benefit the community which is in this case implementing this proposal.

>> As for the changes no statement in the CPM forbids making editorial ones.

>> The policy is still the same one, and editorial modifications were needed

>> to solve a few misunderstandings and reciprocity issues.

>>

>>

>> > *During the same period staff confirmed some of the RIRs, ARIN in

>> specially did NOT have reciprocity to the text that supposedly reached

>> consensus.*

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> * - Still with the situation unknown the authors keep presenting new text

>> revisions for the proposal confirming once more that the proposal was never

>> ready to have any consensus declared and needed further discussion despite

>> how much important it can be for the region.*

>>

>> I do not see how taking into consideration the community’s concerns and

>> working on them can be looked at as rushing or forcing the proposal and

>> considered as “the proposal is not ready to have any consensus”.

>>

>>

>> > *These changes are called "editorial changes" but in fact are just

>> newer versions which require time for the WG to discuss properly.*

>>

>> *Facing all this how can a proposal have any consensus declared with all

>> this mess ?*

>>

>> There is no mess besides the one that is created by not taking enough

>> time to read the new drafts and realize that they do not contain any

>> significant changes but rather editorial ones. And that was and is still

>> not forbidden.

>>

>> Cheers,

>>

>> wijdane

>>

>>

>

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