[rpd] Reciprocity of the inter-RIR transfer policies

[Noah]

 Alain,

Interest insight and this is exactly why we must be conservative in our
approach to IPv4 transfers inlight of the fact that we recieved from IANA
the least amount of address space to even think about transfering any of it
outside the region at this critical stage on Internet Development in Africa.

Page 3 of the NRO statistics report below [1] is a clear indication of your
sentiments that we hadly have any IPv4 address space.

[1] https://www.nro.net/wp-content/uploads/NRO-Statistics-2019Q2.pdf

Also while looking at recent transfer reports data, 96% of the IPv4
transfers are actually Intra-RIR happening within respetive individual
regions.

Take for example the RIPE NCC graph and to be specific the BLUE line:
https://labs.ripe.net/statistics/total-number-of-ipv4-transfers

Also from the NRO statistics report indicated on pages 7 - 8 the same trend
both within AFRINIC and RIPE

https://www.nro.net/wp-content/uploads/NRO-Statistics-2019Q2.pdf

What lessons can the community/working group within our region take from
all the above while we continue discussing the various inter-tranfer draft
proposals before this working group.

Noah

On Tue, 3 Nov 2020, 19:37 ALAIN AINA via RPD, <rpd at afrinic.net> wrote:


> Hi Madhvi,

>

> Thanks for the comparative table. I appreciate the responses from the

> other RIRs and I hope we will have them, at our policy meetings like

> before, to brief us about what is going in their region, as well as

> answering live questions.

>

> Below are my takeaway and some questions to this community

>

> 1. Different requirement about what to expect from other region per RIR in

> the context of a Inter-RIR transfers..

> Some are flexible, some are more stringent

> ⁃ RIPE NCC accept any

> ⁃ LACNIC does not require reciprocity

> ⁃ APNIC and ARIN seem to require that substantially the same category of

> number resources be transferable out.

>

> Q1 how stringent should we be in the region?

>

> Q2 can’t we start with those who accept transferring to us without

> requiring full reciprocity?

>

> In 2014 RIPE NCC was ruled out from Inter-RIR transfer for the lack of

> need-based.

> They came up with the following:

> “For transfers from RIR service regions that require the receiving region

> to have needs-based policies, recipients must provide a plan to the RIPE

> NCC for the use of at least 50% of the transferred resources within five

> years.”

>

> Q3 couldn’t it be possible for the sake of reciprocity, that a region

> receives back what they offer?

> If AFRINIC offer legacy and global resources ( likely to be received from

> RIPE NCC and LACNIC) get back the same ?

>

> 2-with the statistics below:

> ARIN with 99 /8 (~69 / 8 legacy) and

> APNIC with 53 /8 ( ~ 4.40 legacy)

> AFRINIC with 7 /8 ( ~0.5 /8 legacy)

>

> Q4 How would a real reciprocal relationship be beneficial to AFRINIC

> factoring in other elements as Internet development and financial

> capabilities?

> The resources transferred being covered by commercial agreements

>

> 3- Reserved spaces and transfers restrictions

>

> Most regions have transfer restrictions on reserved and special- purpose

> spaces which is globally accepted.. I.e not transferable at all or

> transferable about certain years.

>

> Considering that

> RIPE NCC was created in 1992

> APNIC was created in 1993

> ARIN was created in 1997

> LACNIC was created in 2001

> AFRINIC was created in 2005

> And that AFRINIC is still allocating IPv4 in the soft landing phases and

> currently allocating unlimited /22 in phase 2,

>

> Q5 can’t the regional space ( almost young) be declared “reserved “ and

> rules on reserved and special-purpose resources applied?

>

>

> Regards,

>

> —Alain

>

>

>

> > On 27 Oct 2020, at 05:14, Madhvi Gokool <madhvi at afrinic.net> wrote:

> >

> > Dear PDWG

> >

> > Please find the other RIRs' response regarding the

> compatibility/reciprocity of the following proposals in the document

> attached.

> >

> > Resource Transfer Policy(draft 2) - AFPUB-2019-V4-003-DRAFT02

> >

> > Resource Transfer Policy(draft 3) - AFPUB-2019-V4-003-DRAFT03

> >

> > AFRINIC Number Resources Transfer Policy - AFPUB-2019-GEN-002-DRAFT02

> >

> > IPv4 Inter-RIR Resource Transfers (Comprehensive Scope) -

> AFPUB-2019-IPv4-002-DRAFT04

> >

> > If you are commenting on a specific proposal , please ensure that you

> mention the policy name or ID in the subject line .

> >

> > Kind Regards

> >

> > Madhvi

> >

> > --

> > Madhvi Gokool

> > Senior IP Resources Specialist

> > AFRINIC Ltd.

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> >

> >

> >

> >

> > On 23/09/2020 9:51 AM, Madhvi Gokool wrote:

> >>  Dear PDWG

> >> During the Policy discussions in the AFRINIC-32 PPM  on 17 Sep 2020,

> there was a debate regarding the reciprocity of one inter-RIR transfer

> policy proposal with ARIN. The Policy Liaison had responded that since

> there are 3 policy proposals under discussion and that two of them had

> undergone revision in 2020 , AFRINIC shall contact ARIN to get their

> authoritative response in regard to the reciprocity of all the 3 proposals.

> >>

> >> Since the  LACNIC, RIPE and APNIC RIRs all have inter-RIR transfer

> policies, and we, AFRINIC do not have their assessment of the reciprocity

> of the 3 policy proposals under discussion on record,  AFRINIC has

> therefore reached out to all  4 RIRs to  get their inputs regarding the

> reciprocity of the three policy proposals that were discussed in the

> AFRINIC PPM last week.

> >>

> >> We shall update you once we have received the updates from the  4 RIRs.

> "

> >>

> >> Kind Regards

> >>

> >> Madhvi

> >>

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