[rpd] Reversal of Consensus on Resource Transfer Policy

[Mike Silber]

*res ipsa loquitur*

On Mon, 19 Oct 2020 at 08:04, Gaby Giner <gabyginernetwork at gmail.com> wrote:


> Hi everyone,

>

> I think tensions are already high due to both sides not being really

> responsive to each other. However, we really should be objective and try to

> stay out of ad hominems. Remember that due to being culturally diverse, the

> sensitivity of people vary and we must accommodate the variety of cultures

> here. So you saying that it is not offensive might just be offensive to the

> one you are talking to. That's the way of diplomacy. That said, I would

> like to reiterate that there is no value added with this chain of messages

> unless we move out of the blame game and discuss professionally the matter

> at hand.

>

> I would like to state also that's it's unfair to *derisively *say there

> are two camps and said camps are just echoing themselves. That's what is

> happening and it's logical since one group does not support and the other

> does. Of course, there's going to be repetitive confirmations. Conversely,

> don't you think that the other camp is also repetitive? But we don't bring

> that up because it doesn't add value. So let's dispense with this talk and

> instead engage with the proper points.

>

> Lastly, I'd like to make it clear that I don't support the appeal for all

> the reasons listed above, the previous emails, and "echoed" by those I have

> the same views with. Do accept that.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Gaby

>

> On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 11:01 AM lucilla fornaro <

> lucillafornarosawamoto at gmail.com> wrote:

>

>> Dear Mike,

>>

>> Let me understand your point of view.

>> So, agreeing with someone else means belonging to a “puppet echo chamber”

>> (which is an insult itself!)?

>>

>> You talk about respect and objectiveness when you are insinuating the

>> false and lacking respect for anyone who has a different opinion from you.

>>

>> This is not a private talk at a coffee shop, you cannot cut out from the

>> conversation people who disagree with you. You are accusing some members of

>> pushing a proposal you disagree with and according to you, this means we

>> belong to a kind of strange conspiracy gang. If I had a lot of free time I

>> may end up thinking you are doing exactly the same by rejecting it.

>>

>> Luckily, this is not a cult, this Afrinic and surprise surprise, Afrinic

>> is a welcoming open community where DIFFERENT OPINIONS are not only

>> accepted but encouraged.

>>

>> Members have been consistently asking for more time and once they’ve

>> received it they KEPT COMPLAINING because they now want something else. So

>> my question is, what game are you playing? Because if there is something

>> suspicious here, it comes from you and those who are equally confused about

>> what they want. At least, my ideas are explicit.

>>

>> I think there are enough childish quarrels, if you are really genuinely

>> interested in Afrinic it is time to accept that someone may disagree with

>> you.

>>

>> regards,

>>

>> Lucilla

>>

>> Il giorno dom 18 ott 2020 alle ore 20:47 Mike Silber <

>> silber.mike at gmail.com> ha scritto:

>>

>>> Lamiaa

>>>

>>> Thanks for confirming (yet again) to the list members that you and

>>> several others seem to serve as an echo chamber for each other and for

>>> little other purpose - other than an attempt to manipulate the PDP.

>>>

>>> Objectively there was nothing offensive or constituting a personal

>>> attack in what Fernando said and attempting to amplify that lie is

>>> offensive to all of us who engage in robust discussion on this list.

>>>

>>> As for your opinions on the appeal, frankly they are irrelevant.

>>> Hopefully the appeal committee will be objective and not manipulated by

>>> your echo chamber.

>>>

>>> While I appreciate the co-chairs extension of the last call period, as

>>> others have pointed out, the extension does not substantively change the

>>> decision against which the appeal has been lodged.

>>>

>>> Mike

>>>

>>> Sitting back and waiting for the flames from the sock puppet echo

>>> chamber

>>>

>>> On Sun, 18 Oct 2020 at 12:35, Lamiaa Chnayti <lamiaachnayti at gmail.com>

>>> wrote:

>>>

>>>> Hello Fernando,

>>>>

>>>> First of all, I would like to report to the chairs your improper

>>>> behaviour that consists of personally attacking and offending Lucilla. This

>>>> should be taken seriously and shouldn’t go unnoticed so as to maintain a

>>>> fair and sensible discussion on the list.

>>>>

>>>> I would also like to point out that now that the chairs have amended

>>>> their decision, the appeal has become invalid.

>>>>

>>>> Please start showing a little respect for what the chairs are doing.

>>>> Everything they voluntarily do is for the sake of this community.

>>>>

>>>> Regards,

>>>>

>>>> Lamiaa

>>>>

>>>> Le dim. 18 oct. 2020 à 00:20, Fernando Frediani <fhfrediani at gmail.com>

>>>> a écrit :

>>>>

>>>>> Do not deceive yourself. There is an appeal ongoing before any

>>>>> possible ratification.

>>>>>

>>>>> Fernando

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> On Sat, 17 Oct 2020, 20:12 lucilla fornaro, <

>>>>> lucillafornarosawamoto at gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> No, what I meant is that we’ve been discussing for weeks, the end of

>>>>>> the last call has been already announced.

>>>>>> Co-chairs shouldn’t make any changes to that decision. The policy

>>>>>> shall now move to ratification.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Regards,

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Lucilla

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> ------------------------------

>>>>>> *Da:* dc at darwincosta.com <dc at darwincosta.com>

>>>>>> *Inviato:* domenica, ottobre 18, 2020 2:49 AM

>>>>>> *A:* lucilla fornaro

>>>>>> *Cc:* ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE; rpd List

>>>>>> *Oggetto:* Re: [rpd] Reversal of Consensus on Resource Transfer

>>>>>> Policy

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> On 17 Oct 2020, at 19:36, lucilla fornaro <

>>>>>> lucillafornarosawamoto at gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>> 

>>>>>> Dear Co-chair, dear community,

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I disagree with this extension of one week. I don’t see how this

>>>>>> further week can do any good to a discussion that has already reached its

>>>>>> purpose.

>>>>>> It is clear that the community members have had exhaustive time to

>>>>>> discuss the policy.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> The end of the last call for this policy has already been declared

>>>>>> and we should keep moving forward from that.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I guess you meant send it back to discussion? I have previously asked

>>>>>> the Co-chair to share with the community facts & figures on how this

>>>>>> proposal have reached consensus... Until now, we have not seen nothing on

>>>>>> this regards...

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Luckily there is an appeal submitted.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Regards,

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Lucilla

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Regards,

>>>>>> Darwin-.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> ------------------------------

>>>>>> *Da:* ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE <oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng>

>>>>>> *Inviato:* domenica, ottobre 18, 2020 1:03 AM

>>>>>> *A:* rpd List

>>>>>> *Oggetto:* [rpd] Reversal of Consensus on Resource Transfer Policy

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Dear colleagues,

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Despite our belief that this policy has covered almost all of the

>>>>>> concerns raised especially the major objections, we would like to give the

>>>>>> community more time to discern after considering the community's feedback

>>>>>> on the consensus declared on the  Resource Transfer Polic.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> We, the co-chairs, have changed our decision and opt to extend the

>>>>>> last call for one more week for prudence's sake.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Thank you.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Co-Chair

>>>>>> PDWG

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

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