[rpd] Reciprocity of the inter-RIR transfer policies

[Madhvi Gokool]

Hello Jordi


On 09/10/2020 7:58 PM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote:

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> Hi Madhvi,

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> I think this makes clear that I was right, as I always indicated that

> the other 2 proposal were not reciprocal, so they become useless.

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Let's take a step back - reciprocity can only be confirmed by the
respective RIRs as they know their policies  and hence the commitment to
request  their inputs & share with this working group. 

The intent was to receive factual & authoritative information  that this
working group could use while submitting/ discussing  policy proposals. 


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> Regarding your point on the ASN transfer in my proposal, I will wait

> for further clarification with APNIC,  but the intent was

> bi-directional with any RIR (that allows it), like for IPv4. Anyway,

> if the ASN is an issue, as I tried just to follow the staff

> recommendations to resolve that according to your PIER’s, the easier

> way to resolve that is to make it in a different proposal, so we could

> resolve the IPv4 issue first, then ASN and even IPv6 in another one.

> That may help to reach consensus in each topic.

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Sure. We will keep you in the loop.

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> Regards,

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> Jordi

>

> @jordipalet

>

Regards

Madhvi


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> El 9/10/20 17:07, "Madhvi Gokool" <madhvi at afrinic.net

> <mailto:madhvi at afrinic.net>> escribió:

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> Dear PDWG

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> AFRINIC has received partial feedback to its query and would like to

> report on the feedback received to the community.  To note that the

> proposal   AFPUB-2019-V4-003-DRAFT03 was also shared with the RIRs

> when it was submitted in Sep 2020.

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> 1.    ARIN has responded that the Resource Transfer Policy is not

> compatible with their inter-RIR transfer policies because of the

> following statement therein - /“The source must be the current rights

> holder of the IPv4 address resources registered with any RIR and shall

> be in compliance with the policies of the receiving RIR.”/ would

> require a source in the ARIN region to comply with AFRINIC RIR policies.

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> AFRINIC - You will find  that both AFPUB-2019-V4-003-DRAFT02 &

> AFPUB-2019-V4-003-DRAFT03, versions that were shared with the RIRs

> contain this statement.

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> 2.    APNIC has responded that for 

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> a.    AFPUB-2019-V4-003-DRAFT03 - Resource Transfer Policy (Draft-3),

> the APNIC inter-RIR policy is not compatible with the current text,

> especially “The source must be the current rights holder of the IPv4

> address resources registered with any RIR and shall be in compliance

> with the policies of the receiving RIR.”

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> AFRINIC - You will find  that AFPUB-2019-V4-003-DRAFT02 version that

> was shared with the RIRs also contain this statement.

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> b.     AFPUB-2019-GEN-002-DRAFT02 - AFRINIC Number Resources Transfer

> Policy

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>  "Only Legacy resources and resources transferred in from other

> regions will be transferable out of the AFRINIC service region."

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> Not compatible as it is not fully reciprocal and bi-directional in

> nature. The proposal only allows transfer of legacy resources and

> resources that been transferred into AFRINIC, and NOT resources from

> the AFRINIC pool. In principle, APNIC allows outgoing transfer of

> resources from the APNIC pool, but has a 5-year transfer restriction

> for 103/8 space.

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> c.    AFPUB-2019-IPv4-002-DRAFT04 - IPv4 Inter-RIR Resource Transfers

> (Comprehensive Scope) Draft-4

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> Compatible for IPv4 Inter-RIR transfers. However there is ambiguity

> about APNIC to AFRINIC ASN transfers. We understand the text below

> allows transfer of ASNs out of AFRINIC region if they meet certain

> conditions. Does it imply transfer of incoming ASNs into AFRINIC is

> allowed?

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> "5.7.4 Transfer of ASN with IPv4 Resources

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> At the AFRINIC discretion, in the case where over 50% of the IPv4

> resources associated with an ASN are being transferred, that ASN may

> also be transferred at the same time."

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> AFRINIC - We shall clarify this with APNIC as from next week.

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> To conclude , please note that as we receive further updates from the

> RIRs, we shall keep the working group informed.  Should the authors of

> the 3 policy proposals require further inputs and clarifications 

> regarding reciprocity/compatibility, we recommend  that they submit

> same to pdwg at afrinic.net <mailto:pdwg at afrinic.net> . We shall then do

> the needful and liaise with the RIRs.

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> We have also noted that a latest version of Resource Transfer Policy

> was submitted to the list . To maintain the consistency , the

> reciprocity/compatibility with the other inter-RIR transfer policies

> will be sought.

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> Regards

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> Madhvi

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> On 23/09/2020 9:51 AM, Madhvi Gokool wrote:

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>      Dear PDWG

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>     During the Policy discussions in the AFRINIC-32 PPM  on 17 Sep

>     2020, there was a debate regarding the reciprocity of one

>     inter-RIR transfer policy proposal with ARIN. The Policy Liaison

>     had responded that since there are 3 policy proposals under

>     discussion and that two of them had undergone revision in 2020 ,

>     AFRINIC shall contact ARIN to get their authoritative response in

>     regard to the reciprocity of all the *3 proposals*.

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>     Since the  LACNIC, RIPE and APNIC RIRs all have inter-RIR transfer

>     policies, and we, AFRINIC do not have their assessment of the

>     reciprocity of the 3 policy proposals under discussion on record, 

>     AFRINIC has therefore reached out to all  4 RIRs to  get their

>     inputs regarding the reciprocity of the*three *policy proposals

>     that were discussed in the AFRINIC PPM last week.

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>     We shall update you once we have received the updates from the  4

>     RIRs. "

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>     Kind Regards

>

>     Madhvi

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