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<p>Hello Jordi</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 09/10/2020 7:58 PM, JORDI PALET
MARTINEZ wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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lang="EN-US">Hi Madhvi,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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lang="EN-US">I think this makes clear that I was right, as I
always indicated that the other 2 proposal were not
reciprocal, so they become useless.</span></p>
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<p>Let's take a step back - reciprocity can only be confirmed by the
respective RIRs as they know their policies and hence the
commitment to request their inputs & share with this working
group. <br>
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<p>The intent was to receive factual & authoritative
information that this working group could use while submitting/
discussing policy proposals. <br>
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lang="EN-US">Regarding your point on the ASN transfer in my
proposal, I will wait for further clarification with APNIC,
but the intent was bi-directional with any RIR (that allows
it), like for IPv4. Anyway, if the ASN is an issue, as I
tried just to follow the staff recommendations to resolve
that according to your PIER’s, the easier way to resolve
that is to make it in a different proposal, so we could
resolve the IPv4 issue first, then ASN and even IPv6 in
another one. That may help to reach consensus in each topic.</span></p>
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Sure. We will keep you in the loop.<br>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p>Regards</p>
<p>Madhvi<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">El 9/10/20
17:07, "Madhvi Gokool" <<a
href="mailto:madhvi@afrinic.net" moz-do-not-send="true">madhvi@afrinic.net</a>>
escribió:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p
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style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Dear
PDWG</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p
style="mso-margin-top-alt:12.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">AFRINIC
has received partial feedback to its query and would like to
report on the feedback received to the community. To note
that the proposal AFPUB-2019-V4-003-DRAFT03 was also
shared with the RIRs when it was submitted in Sep 2020.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:71.4pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0
level1 lfo1;vertical-align:baseline"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">1.<span style="font:7.0pt
"Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">ARIN
has responded that the Resource Transfer Policy is not
compatible with their inter-RIR transfer policies because of
the following statement therein - <i>“The source must be
the current rights holder of the IPv4 address resources
registered with any RIR and shall be in compliance with
the policies of the receiving RIR.”</i> would require a
source in the ARIN region to comply with AFRINIC RIR
policies.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
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style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">AFRINIC
- You will find that both AFPUB-2019-V4-003-DRAFT02 &
AFPUB-2019-V4-003-DRAFT03, versions that were shared with
the RIRs contain this statement.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p
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level1 lfo3;vertical-align:baseline"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">2.<span style="font:7.0pt
"Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">APNIC
has responded that for <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:107.4pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1
level1 lfo5;vertical-align:baseline"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">a.<span style="font:7.0pt
"Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">AFPUB-2019-V4-003-DRAFT03
- Resource Transfer Policy (Draft-3), the APNIC inter-RIR
policy is not compatible with the current text, especially
“The source must be the current rights holder of the IPv4
address resources registered with any RIR and shall be in
compliance with the policies of the receiving RIR.”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">AFRINIC
- You will find that AFPUB-2019-V4-003-DRAFT02 version that
was shared with the RIRs also contain this statement.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:107.4pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l5
level1 lfo7;vertical-align:baseline"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">b.<span style="font:7.0pt
"Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> AFPUB-2019-GEN-002-DRAFT02
- AFRINIC Number Resources Transfer Policy<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:107.4pt"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> "Only
Legacy resources and resources transferred in from other
regions will be transferable out of the AFRINIC service
region."</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:107.4pt"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Not
compatible as it is not fully reciprocal and bi-directional
in nature. The proposal only allows transfer of legacy
resources and resources that been transferred into AFRINIC,
and NOT resources from the AFRINIC pool. In principle, APNIC
allows outgoing transfer of resources from the APNIC pool,
but has a 5-year transfer restriction for 103/8 space.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:107.4pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l2
level1 lfo9;vertical-align:baseline"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">c.<span style="font:7.0pt
"Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">AFPUB-2019-IPv4-002-DRAFT04
- IPv4 Inter-RIR Resource Transfers (Comprehensive Scope)
Draft-4<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:107.4pt"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Compatible
for IPv4 Inter-RIR transfers. However there is ambiguity
about APNIC to AFRINIC ASN transfers. We understand the text
below allows transfer of ASNs out of AFRINIC region if they
meet certain conditions. Does it imply transfer of incoming
ASNs into AFRINIC is allowed?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:107.4pt"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">"5.7.4
Transfer of ASN with IPv4 Resources</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p
style="mso-margin-top-alt:12.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:71.4pt"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p
style="mso-margin-top-alt:12.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">At
the AFRINIC discretion, in the case where over 50% of the
IPv4 resources associated with an ASN are being transferred,
that ASN may also be transferred at the same time."</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p
style="mso-margin-top-alt:12.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">AFRINIC
- We shall clarify this with APNIC as from next week. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p
style="mso-margin-top-alt:12.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p
style="mso-margin-top-alt:12.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">To
conclude , please note that as we receive further updates
from the RIRs, we shall keep the working group informed.
Should the authors of the 3 policy proposals require further
inputs and clarifications regarding
reciprocity/compatibility, we recommend that they submit
same to <a href="mailto:pdwg@afrinic.net"
moz-do-not-send="true">pdwg@afrinic.net</a> . We shall
then do the needful and liaise with the RIRs.</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p
style="mso-margin-top-alt:12.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">We
have also noted that a latest version of Resource Transfer
Policy was submitted to the list . To maintain the
consistency , the reciprocity/compatibility with the other
inter-RIR transfer policies will be sought.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p
style="mso-margin-top-alt:12.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p
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style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Regards</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Madhvi<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">On 23/09/2020
9:51 AM, Madhvi Gokool wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"> Dear PDWG<o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left:35.4pt">During the Policy discussions in
the AFRINIC-32 PPM on 17 Sep 2020, there was a debate
regarding the reciprocity of one inter-RIR transfer policy
proposal with ARIN. The Policy Liaison had responded that
since there are 3 policy proposals under discussion and that
two of them had undergone revision in 2020 , AFRINIC shall
contact ARIN to get their authoritative response in regard
to the reciprocity of all the <b>3 proposals</b>.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left:35.4pt">Since the LACNIC, RIPE and
APNIC RIRs all have inter-RIR transfer policies, and we,
AFRINIC do not have their assessment of the reciprocity of
the 3 policy proposals under discussion on record, AFRINIC
has therefore reached out to all 4 RIRs to get their
inputs regarding the reciprocity of the<b> three </b>policy
proposals that were discussed in the AFRINIC PPM last week.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left:35.4pt">We shall update you once we have
received the updates from the 4 RIRs. "<o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left:35.4pt">Kind Regards<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Madhvi <br>
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