[rpd] End of Last call

Thu Oct 8 14:50:50 UTC 2020

It seems that you are more interested in having this policy passed at 
any cost than in putting consistent arguments in line with the PDP. I 
prefer to discuss with arguments not with fans.

On 08/10/2020 11:14, Ibeanusi Elvis wrote:
> Dear Fernando,
>
> There is no confusion here, Section 3.5.1 of the CPM indeed said 
> “disagrees with the actions taken by the Chair(s)”  and the actions 
> bound to taken by the chairs is to make declarations on behalf of the 
> Board and the community. Similarly, the decision of course can be 
> appealed but according to the CPM there is a time period to submit the 
> appeal (Check Section 3.5.2 of the CPM). Nonetheless, you have not 
> answered my pervious questions. Here is another one, Why should the 
> Chairs “have changed their decision?”. Remember, they made the 
> decision on behalf of the Board and the AFRINIC Community. Thanks.
>
> ELVIS.
>
>> On Oct 8, 2020, at 23:03, Fernando Frediani <fhfrediani at gmail.com 
>> <mailto:fhfrediani at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Gaby please read the PDP correctly and do not confuse people.
>>
>> The section 3.5.1 of the CPM says "disagrees with the actions taken 
>> by the Chair(s)" not just with declarations made during the PPM. The 
>> Chairs could have changed their decision meanwhile but unfortunately 
>> they haven't done. They have just decided to keep it and it is "a 
>> decision" which by the CPM bound to appeal.
>>
>> Fernando
>>
>> On 08/10/2020 10:49, Gaby Giner wrote:
>>> Dear community,
>>>
>>> I agree with Lucilla but only wish to add 1 point.
>>>
>>> I think everyone has overlooked one huge matter.
>>>
>>> It is true that by section 3.5(1) of the CPM “A person who disagrees 
>>> with the actions taken by the Chair(s) shall discuss the matter with 
>>> the PDWG Chair(s) or with the PDWG”.
>>>
>>> However, I wish to remind everyone that by section 3.5(2) of the 
>>> CPM, “The appeal must be submitted within two weeks of the public 
>>> knowledge of the decision”.
>>>
>>> Applying this into the current facts, the Chair has publicly 
>>> announced its decision on 17th September 2020 through the online 
>>> PPM, whereas, the disagreement/appeal is only made on 2nd October 
>>> 2020 onward, which is factually beyond the 14 days period to appeal.
>>>
>>> Therefore, the disagreements/appeal made in this email 
>>> thread/mailing list must be deemed invalid and be disregarded.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Gaby
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 8, 2020, 9:05 PM lucilla fornaro, 
>>> <lucillafornarosawamoto at gmail.com 
>>> <mailto:lucillafornarosawamoto at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     Dear Sami, dear all,
>>>
>>>     Most of the arguments supporting the policy were not mere
>>>     "opinions".
>>>     A quick reminder, the policy reached a rough consensus during
>>>     the PPM and went to the last call for some editorial changes.
>>>     The authors, Taiwo and Anthony, proved to be remarkably active
>>>     to manage minor issues and solicitudes from the community. The
>>>     resource transfer policy aims to build a stable and efficient
>>>     resources management system for the Afrinic service region.
>>>     The overall discussion has been full of controversies
>>>     undermining the work of the co-chairs, an unfair behavior in my
>>>     opinion.  Also, the arguments against the policy have been
>>>     strongly taken apart.
>>>     We have been debating this policy for weeks, it is now time to
>>>     move it to the board for ratification.
>>>
>>>     regards,
>>>
>>>     Lucilla
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     Il giorno gio 8 ott 2020 alle ore 21:09 Sami Ait Ali Oulahcen
>>>     via RPD <rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>> ha scritto:
>>>
>>>         Hi,
>>>
>>>         I can't see how the "Resource Transfer Policy" could have
>>>         reached consensus.
>>>         I think the co-chairs' prerogative is to declare consensus
>>>         on policies,
>>>         not general opinions. And "we need an inter-RIR transfer
>>>         policy" is a
>>>         general opinion, not a policy.
>>>         The policy in question still had objections (non-editorial)
>>>         before last
>>>         call. And it received significant changes during the last
>>>         call period
>>>         (it is not what last call is meant for).
>>>
>>>         Not that I have any interest in the policy itself being
>>>         ratified or not.
>>>         It shouldn't be done this way.
>>>
>>>         Just my 2c.
>>>
>>>         Regards,
>>>         Sami
>>>
>>>         On 10/8/20 12:30 AM, Moses Serugo wrote:
>>>         > Hello PDWG members,
>>>         >
>>>         > Following the last online PPM held on 16^th -17^th
>>>         September 2020. Last
>>>         > call was announced on 21^st September 2020 for the
>>>         following policy
>>>         > proposals.
>>>         >
>>>         >   * Board Prerogatives on the PDP
>>>         >   * Resource Transfer Policy
>>>         >
>>>         > This is to further announce that the  last call period for
>>>         the above
>>>         > proposals has ended, based on feedback received from the
>>>         community and
>>>         > the editorial changes made by authors to address community
>>>         concerns, the
>>>         > consensus decision from AFRINIC32 is still maintained.
>>>         >
>>>         > Co-Chairs will now send a report to the Board recommending
>>>         ratification
>>>         > of the two above proposals in line with CPM 3.0.
>>>         >
>>>         > Regards,
>>>         >
>>>         > Co-Chairs
>>>         >
>>>         >
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