[rpd] End of Last call

[Fernando Frediani]

It seems that you are more interested in having this policy passed at 
any cost than in putting consistent arguments in line with the PDP. I 
prefer to discuss with arguments not with fans.

On 08/10/2020 11:14, Ibeanusi Elvis wrote:

> Dear Fernando,

>

> There is no confusion here, Section 3.5.1 of the CPM indeed said 

> “disagrees with the actions taken by the Chair(s)”  and the actions 

> bound to taken by the chairs is to make declarations on behalf of the 

> Board and the community. Similarly, the decision of course can be 

> appealed but according to the CPM there is a time period to submit the 

> appeal (Check Section 3.5.2 of the CPM). Nonetheless, you have not 

> answered my pervious questions. Here is another one, Why should the 

> Chairs “have changed their decision?”. Remember, they made the 

> decision on behalf of the Board and the AFRINIC Community. Thanks.

>

> ELVIS.

>

>> On Oct 8, 2020, at 23:03, Fernando Frediani <fhfrediani at gmail.com 

>> <mailto:fhfrediani at gmail.com>> wrote:

>>

>> Gaby please read the PDP correctly and do not confuse people.

>>

>> The section 3.5.1 of the CPM says "disagrees with the actions taken 

>> by the Chair(s)" not just with declarations made during the PPM. The 

>> Chairs could have changed their decision meanwhile but unfortunately 

>> they haven't done. They have just decided to keep it and it is "a 

>> decision" which by the CPM bound to appeal.

>>

>> Fernando

>>

>> On 08/10/2020 10:49, Gaby Giner wrote:

>>> Dear community,

>>>

>>> I agree with Lucilla but only wish to add 1 point.

>>>

>>> I think everyone has overlooked one huge matter.

>>>

>>> It is true that by section 3.5(1) of the CPM “A person who disagrees 

>>> with the actions taken by the Chair(s) shall discuss the matter with 

>>> the PDWG Chair(s) or with the PDWG”.

>>>

>>> However, I wish to remind everyone that by section 3.5(2) of the 

>>> CPM, “The appeal must be submitted within two weeks of the public 

>>> knowledge of the decision”.

>>>

>>> Applying this into the current facts, the Chair has publicly 

>>> announced its decision on 17th September 2020 through the online 

>>> PPM, whereas, the disagreement/appeal is only made on 2nd October 

>>> 2020 onward, which is factually beyond the 14 days period to appeal.

>>>

>>> Therefore, the disagreements/appeal made in this email 

>>> thread/mailing list must be deemed invalid and be disregarded.

>>>

>>> Thanks,

>>>

>>> Gaby

>>>

>>> On Thu, Oct 8, 2020, 9:05 PM lucilla fornaro, 

>>> <lucillafornarosawamoto at gmail.com 

>>> <mailto:lucillafornarosawamoto at gmail.com>> wrote:

>>>

>>>     Dear Sami, dear all,

>>>

>>>     Most of the arguments supporting the policy were not mere

>>>     "opinions".

>>>     A quick reminder, the policy reached a rough consensus during

>>>     the PPM and went to the last call for some editorial changes.

>>>     The authors, Taiwo and Anthony, proved to be remarkably active

>>>     to manage minor issues and solicitudes from the community. The

>>>     resource transfer policy aims to build a stable and efficient

>>>     resources management system for the Afrinic service region.

>>>     The overall discussion has been full of controversies

>>>     undermining the work of the co-chairs, an unfair behavior in my

>>>     opinion.  Also, the arguments against the policy have been

>>>     strongly taken apart.

>>>     We have been debating this policy for weeks, it is now time to

>>>     move it to the board for ratification.

>>>

>>>     regards,

>>>

>>>     Lucilla

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>     Il giorno gio 8 ott 2020 alle ore 21:09 Sami Ait Ali Oulahcen

>>>     via RPD <rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>> ha scritto:

>>>

>>>         Hi,

>>>

>>>         I can't see how the "Resource Transfer Policy" could have

>>>         reached consensus.

>>>         I think the co-chairs' prerogative is to declare consensus

>>>         on policies,

>>>         not general opinions. And "we need an inter-RIR transfer

>>>         policy" is a

>>>         general opinion, not a policy.

>>>         The policy in question still had objections (non-editorial)

>>>         before last

>>>         call. And it received significant changes during the last

>>>         call period

>>>         (it is not what last call is meant for).

>>>

>>>         Not that I have any interest in the policy itself being

>>>         ratified or not.

>>>         It shouldn't be done this way.

>>>

>>>         Just my 2c.

>>>

>>>         Regards,

>>>         Sami

>>>

>>>         On 10/8/20 12:30 AM, Moses Serugo wrote:

>>>         > Hello PDWG members,

>>>         >

>>>         > Following the last online PPM held on 16^th -17^th

>>>         September 2020. Last

>>>         > call was announced on 21^st September 2020 for the

>>>         following policy

>>>         > proposals.

>>>         >

>>>         >   * Board Prerogatives on the PDP

>>>         >   * Resource Transfer Policy

>>>         >

>>>         > This is to further announce that the  last call period for

>>>         the above

>>>         > proposals has ended, based on feedback received from the

>>>         community and

>>>         > the editorial changes made by authors to address community

>>>         concerns, the

>>>         > consensus decision from AFRINIC32 is still maintained.

>>>         >

>>>         > Co-Chairs will now send a report to the Board recommending

>>>         ratification

>>>         > of the two above proposals in line with CPM 3.0.

>>>         >

>>>         > Regards,

>>>         >

>>>         > Co-Chairs

>>>         >

>>>         >

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