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[rpd] Abuse Contact Policy
Mark Elkins
mje at posix.co.za
Sat Sep 19 11:19:08 UTC 2020
The only people complaining about this policy should be the Resource
Members of AFRINIC. To be clear, I am a Resource Member (of AFRINIC) and
I agree with the policy. There is currently a voluntary option to add an
abuse contact. I personally believe it should be renamed to "abuse-c"
(so it looks more obvious and similar to the other contacts for an ASN
or IP allocation/assignment) and should be mandatory. I'd also like a
bulk way to have this added if possible - because I'm lazy and like many
others, have multiple allocations/assignments. Then - if one of my
allocations/assignments causes a problem to someone in the world - they
can easily find my abuse support address to complain to. This really
should be a no-brainer.
On 2020/09/19 10:59, Frank Habicht wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 19/09/2020 08:40, lucilla fornaro wrote:
>> I have to disagree!
>>
>> The point is: the proposal does not define or give an indicator of what
>> an abuse is.
> It does NOT need to do that.
>
> The policy is NOT about abuses.
> It is about *abuse contacts*.
> It is about publishing *abuse contacts* in case someone, like a network
> operator (who knows what an abuse is), wants to send an abuse complaint.
>
> Network operators know what an abuse is - if they care.
> Others, and this policy, don't need to know what an abuse is.
>
> People, including participants on this list, may even disagree about
> what constitutes abuse. They might also conclude, and agree that "what
> is an abuse" depends on country, opinion, operator policy, time-of-day,
> etc.
> These are all things irrelevant to this policy.
>
> This was stated multiple times.
> Some people seem to ignore this.
> Some people seem to reiterate that a definition of abuse is needed.
> I believe that others and myself have explained why that is not the case.
>
> Do the chairs agree that issues are re-iterated that have been shown to
> be irrelevant to the discussion of this policy?
>
>
>> It is not functional to propose a policy if the elements
>> present in it are not clear.
> I humbly request to differentiate between "abuse" (which this policy is
> not directly about), and "abuse contacts" - which this policy aims to
> ensure are to be published.
>
> We have discussed sufficiently that the definition of "abuse" can vary.
> Depending on /many/ things.
> I believe we have agreed that the definition can vary.
> Maybe the chairs can confirm that. I think this might be helpful.
>
> The policy is about "abuse contacts".
> I believe the 'elements present in it' are in fact clear.
>
>
>> The main focus of the proposal is the
>> abuse,
> no. "abuse contacts".
>
>> you said that the proposal makes sure that there is a valid
>> response incase of an abuse report. BUT if people do not know what
>> Afrinic means for abuse,
> AfriNIC doesn't mean anything about "abuse".
> AfriNIC, I believe, doesn't have a policy about what "abuse" is.
> It is *NOT* for AfriNIC to decide that.
> Network operators are capable of doing that.
> Network operators are willing to do that.
> If others - including participants on this list - are not able to define
> what abuse is, that fact is irrelevant [1].
> Because this policy is for the benefits of network operators.
> And this policy affects AfriNIC Resource Members.
>
> Participants on this mailing list are not required to be network
> operators, nor are they required to be AfriNIC Resource Members.
> Everybody is welcome.
> But when it comes to discussing about the subject of this policy (which
> is *abuse contacts*), it seems to be beneficial to understand some
> distinctions.
>
>> the reports will be too many, often
>> unreasonable, with a consequent waste of time and resources.
> so-called "Waste of resources" :
> a) not on the part of AfriNIC
> b) not on the part of network operators ignoring abuse complaints
> c) possibly on the part of network operators filing abuse complaints
> [who do understand that there is an unfortunately high chance of
> getting ignored]
> d) not on the part of recipients of abuse complaints who appreciate the
> information in the complaints and are willing to
> i) communicate with the complaintant
> ii) clean up their network or customers, thus
> iii) improving their own security and posture (housekeeping)
>
> So, for those who want to be able to get abuse complaints, and for those
> who want to "waste their time" with writing these abuse complaints, can
> we pass this policy so that AfriNIC can enforce resource holders to
> publish the abuse contacts....
> ..... without AfriNIC knowing or defining what constitutes abuse.
>
>
>> In an ideal
>> world, the proposal would be efficient the way it is. But we do not live
>> in an ideal world.
> Is it an improvement? progress in the right direction?
>
>> If we want it to be effective in the long run, it is
>> necessary to make adjustments.
> disagree.
> Also: you "forgot" to suggest the improvements here.
> I wonder why.
>
> I request the chairs to agree that supporters of the policy have shown
> that a definition of "abuse" is not needed and continued calls for that
> are not relevant.
>
>
> Regards,
> Frank
>
> [1]
> sorry, for the strong language of "irrelevant", but I think I better
> make the thoughts very clear
>
>
>> Lucilla
>>> Il giorno ven 18 set 2020 alle ore 21:43 Fernando Frediani
>> <fhfrediani at gmail.com <mailto:fhfrediani at gmail.com>> ha scritto:
>>
>> On 18/09/2020 05:22, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD wrote:
>>> <clip>____
>>>
>>> __ __
>>>
>>> Again, this is not about defining what is abuse, this is among the
>>> parties. It is about making sure that there is a valid responsible
>>> contact in case of anyone needs to report what he considers an
>>> abuse. AFRINIC will not punish anyone that believes that his
>>> customer is not doing an abuse because in his country is not an abuse.
>>>
>> Exactly !
>>
>> Often people are misunderstanding the intention of the proposals and
>> opposing them for reasons that are not written on them, which end up
>> causing more confusion to other people.
>>
>> I support this proposal
>> Fernando
>>
>>> ____
>>>
>>> __ __
>>>
>>> Regards,____
>>>
>>> Jordi____
>>>
>>> @jordipalet____
>>>
>>> __ __
>>>
>>> __ __
>>>
>>> __ __
>>>
>>> El 18/9/20 9:59, "Lamiaa Chnayti" <lamiaachnayti at gmail.com
>>> <mailto:lamiaachnayti at gmail.com>> escribió:____
>>>
>>> __ __
>>>
>>> Hello Jordi,____
>>>
>>> __ __
>>>
>>> RFC2142 only defines a tiny portion of the network abuse. In real
>>> world operation, abuse consists of a much boarder range :
>>> DMCA(copy rights) claims, unsolicited emails , phishing websites
>>> , trade mark disputes etc. ____
>>>
>>> __ __
>>>
>>> All those are legal issues that vary vastly across different
>>> juridictions in which no one but each of the juridiction’s judges
>>> can decide if it is an abuse or an illegal activity. Claiming that
>>> RFC2142 defines not even 1% of real world abuse is laughable.____
>>>
>>> __ __
>>>
>>> Regards,____
>>>
>>> __ __
>>>
>>> Lamiaa____
>>>
>>> __ __
>>>
>>> Le jeu. 17 sept. 2020 à 15:51, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD
>>> <rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>> a écrit :____
>>>
>>> Hi Lamiaa,____
>>>
>>> ____
>>>
>>> I’ve said this already. This policy doesn’t enforce abuse, it
>>> enforces that the abuse contact is there, and works.____
>>>
>>> ____
>>>
>>> Today AFRINIC is paying for the cost of the abuse handling
>>> because only a tiny fraction of the members has the abuse
>>> contacts in place.____
>>>
>>> ____
>>>
>>> If the contacts in the RIR database aren’t actual and
>>> accurate, this is a clear violation of the RSA. So what is
>>> unacceptable is not having the contacts, not on the other way
>>> around.____
>>>
>>> ____
>>>
>>> Abuse is not defined by the RIRs, everybody knows it and this
>>> is the reason why NONE of the RIRs have re-defined it, because
>>> it is already stated in RFC2142. Can you justify why AFRINIC
>>> is different and need a definition?____
>>>
>>> ____
>>>
>>> How you define it in the networks that you operate?____
>>>
>>> ____
>>>
>>> Regards,____
>>>
>>> Jordi____
>>>
>>> @jordipalet____
>>>
>>> ____
>>>
>>> ____
>>>
>>> ____
>>>
>>> El 17/9/20 10:49, "Lamiaa Chnayti" <lamiaachnayti at gmail.com
>>> <mailto:lamiaachnayti at gmail.com>> escribió:____
>>>
>>> ____
>>>
>>> ____
>>>
>>> Hello,____
>>>
>>> ____
>>>
>>> I will have to agree with Lucilla on what she said and would
>>> like to add to it that :____
>>>
>>> Firstly, Abuse enforcement is out of scope for RIRs.____
>>>
>>> Secondly, RIRs have no ability to define what is “abuse”, one
>>> abuse or even criminal activity could be entirely a legal
>>> operation in a different jurisdiction.____
>>>
>>> Finally, making a member forcefully reply to abuse contact
>>> Emails are a waste of resources and totally pointless, it is
>>> entirely up to the member to define what they think is
>>> acceptable in their network operation and how they react to
>>> it. AFRINIC has no mandate to force any member to reply to an
>>> “abuse”, since AFRINIC doesn’t even have the ability to
>>> identify what is considered an abuse.____
>>>
>>> Therefore the entire policy is out of scope for the RIR
>>> operation.____
>>>
>>> ____
>>>
>>> Regards,____
>>>
>>> ____
>>>
>>> Lamiaa____
>>>
>>> ____
>>>
>>> ____
>>>
>>> ____
>>>
>>> ____
>>>
>>> ____
>>>
>>> ____
>>>
>>> ____
>>>
>>> ____
>>>
>>> ____
>>>
>>> Le jeu. 17 sept. 2020 à 07:42, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD
>>> <rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>> a écrit :____
>>>
>>> Hi Lucilla,____
>>>
>>> ____
>>>
>>> Today we already have mnt-IRT, and everybody who operate
>>> networks understand what it is an abuse. If you operate
>>> networks you know that **anything** which is a
>>> non-authorized use of a network is an abuse.____
>>>
>>> ____
>>>
>>> If you send spam, attack networks, try to intrude
>>> networks, etc., all those are abuse.____
>>>
>>> ____
>>>
>>> What the policy ask is to make sure that in AFRINIC
>>> everybody has an abuse contact (today we have mnt-IRT, but
>>> is not mandatory, and as a results many African networks
>>> are filtered because lack of that – and consequently they
>>> do not respond to abuse cases -, which exist in all the
>>> other regions of the world).____
>>>
>>> ____
>>>
>>> Not having an abuse means more chances of legal actions,
>>> more cost, for both the victims and the ISPs. Having that
>>> means that you have more chances to resolve it in
>>> goodfaith.____
>>>
>>> ____
>>>
>>> One of the **most important** Afrinic missions is to have
>>> accuracy on the database, which includes accuracy on the
>>> contacts. We are not fulfilling that in this situation.____
>>>
>>> ____
>>>
>>> Remember that **all** the other RIRs have already this
>>> kind of policy. This one is like the one that has been
>>> implemented in APNIC, and the accuracy of the contacts is
>>> now 87.5% as reported this month in the last APNIC
>>> meeting. In that report **none** of the members indicated
>>> any of the issues that you indicated (didn't happened as
>>> well in the other regions).____
>>>
>>> ____
>>>
>>> You know who is interested in not having abuse contacts?
>>> Those that use their networks for doing abuse (hijacking,
>>> spam, DoS, intrusions, etc.).____
>>>
>>> ____
>>>
>>> Can you explain if the network that you operate has an
>>> abuse contact an how if one of your customes is trying to
>>> penetrate my network or do a DoS, I will be able to
>>> contact you and if you will do anything or just ignore it?____
>>>
>>> ____
>>>
>>> Regards,____
>>>
>>> Jordi____
>>>
>>> @jordipalet____
>>>
>>> ____
>>>
>>> ____
>>>
>>> ____
>>>
>>> El 17/9/20 2:21, "lucilla fornaro"
>>> <lucillafornarosawamoto at gmail.com
>>> <mailto:lucillafornarosawamoto at gmail.com>> escribió:____
>>>
>>> ____
>>>
>>> Dear all,____
>>>
>>> ____
>>>
>>> I have some concerns about the “Abuse Contact Policy”.____
>>>
>>> First of all, it does not offer a specific and regulated
>>> description of the term “abuse” and this opens the door
>>> to potentially bigger problems: a surplus of reports,
>>> discrimination/legal issues, and a waste of resources.
>>> Around the world, we can perceive what abuse is in very
>>> different ways.____
>>>
>>> ____
>>>
>>> Afrinic is not entitled to force members to report abuses
>>> and most importantly, this proposal does not represent
>>> Afrinic’s purpose.____
>>>
>>> ____
>>>
>>> I, therefore, oppose this policy.____
>>>
>>> ____
>>>
>>> ____
>>>
>>> Thank you,____
>>>
>>> ____
>>>
>>> Lucilla ____
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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>>>
>>> Le jeu. 17 sept. 2020 à 15:49, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD
>>> <rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>> a écrit :____
>>>
>>> Hi Lamiaa,____
>>>
>>> ____
>>>
>>> I’ve said this already. This policy doesn’t enforce abuse, it
>>> enforces that the abuse contact is there, and works.____
>>>
>>> ____
>>>
>>> Today AFRINIC is paying for the cost of the abuse handling
>>> because only a tiny fraction of the members has the abuse
>>> contacts in place.____
>>>
>>> ____
>>>
>>> If the contacts in the RIR database aren’t actual and
>>> accurate, this is a clear violation of the RSA. So what is
>>> unacceptable is not having the contacts, not on the other way
>>> around.____
>>>
>>> ____
>>>
>>> Abuse is not defined by the RIRs, everybody knows it and this
>>> is the reason why NONE of the RIRs have re-defined it, because
>>> it is already stated in RFC2142. Can you justify why AFRINIC
>>> is different and need a definition?____
>>>
>>> ____
>>>
>>> How you define it in the networks that you operate?____
>>>
>>> ____
>>>
>>> Regards,____
>>>
>>> Jordi____
>>>
>>> @jordipalet____
>>>
>>> ____
>>>
>>> ____
>>>
>>> ____
>>>
>>> El 17/9/20 10:49, "Lamiaa Chnayti" <lamiaachnayti at gmail.com
>>> <mailto:lamiaachnayti at gmail.com>> escribió:____
>>>
>>> ____
>>>
>>> ____
>>>
>>> Hello,____
>>>
>>> ____
>>>
>>> I will have to agree with Lucilla on what she said and would
>>> like to add to it that :____
>>>
>>> Firstly, Abuse enforcement is out of scope for RIRs.____
>>>
>>> Secondly, RIRs have no ability to define what is “abuse”, one
>>> abuse or even criminal activity could be entirely a legal
>>> operation in a different jurisdiction.____
>>>
>>> Finally, making a member forcefully reply to abuse contact
>>> Emails are a waste of resources and totally pointless, it is
>>> entirely up to the member to define what they think is
>>> acceptable in their network operation and how they react to
>>> it. AFRINIC has no mandate to force any member to reply to an
>>> “abuse”, since AFRINIC doesn’t even have the ability to
>>> identify what is considered an abuse.____
>>>
>>> Therefore the entire policy is out of scope for the RIR
>>> operation.____
>>>
>>> ____
>>>
>>> Regards,____
>>>
>>> ____
>>>
>>> Lamiaa____
>>>
>>> ____
>>>
>>> ____
>>>
>>> ____
>>>
>>> ____
>>>
>>> ____
>>>
>>> ____
>>>
>>> ____
>>>
>>> ____
>>>
>>> ____
>>>
>>> Le jeu. 17 sept. 2020 à 07:42, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD
>>> <rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>> a écrit :____
>>>
>>> Hi Lucilla,____
>>>
>>> ____
>>>
>>> Today we already have mnt-IRT, and everybody who operate
>>> networks understand what it is an abuse. If you operate
>>> networks you know that **anything** which is a
>>> non-authorized use of a network is an abuse.____
>>>
>>> ____
>>>
>>> If you send spam, attack networks, try to intrude
>>> networks, etc., all those are abuse.____
>>>
>>> ____
>>>
>>> What the policy ask is to make sure that in AFRINIC
>>> everybody has an abuse contact (today we have mnt-IRT, but
>>> is not mandatory, and as a results many African networks
>>> are filtered because lack of that – and consequently they
>>> do not respond to abuse cases -, which exist in all the
>>> other regions of the world).____
>>>
>>> ____
>>>
>>> Not having an abuse means more chances of legal actions,
>>> more cost, for both the victims and the ISPs. Having that
>>> means that you have more chances to resolve it in
>>> goodfaith.____
>>>
>>> ____
>>>
>>> One of the **most important** Afrinic missions is to have
>>> accuracy on the database, which includes accuracy on the
>>> contacts. We are not fulfilling that in this situation.____
>>>
>>> ____
>>>
>>> Remember that **all** the other RIRs have already this
>>> kind of policy. This one is like the one that has been
>>> implemented in APNIC, and the accuracy of the contacts is
>>> now 87.5% as reported this month in the last APNIC
>>> meeting. In that report **none** of the members indicated
>>> any of the issues that you indicated (didn't happened as
>>> well in the other regions).____
>>>
>>> ____
>>>
>>> You know who is interested in not having abuse contacts?
>>> Those that use their networks for doing abuse (hijacking,
>>> spam, DoS, intrusions, etc.).____
>>>
>>> ____
>>>
>>> Can you explain if the network that you operate has an
>>> abuse contact an how if one of your customes is trying to
>>> penetrate my network or do a DoS, I will be able to
>>> contact you and if you will do anything or just ignore it?____
>>>
>>> ____
>>>
>>> Regards,____
>>>
>>> Jordi____
>>>
>>> @jordipalet____
>>>
>>> ____
>>>
>>> ____
>>>
>>> ____
>>>
>>> El 17/9/20 2:21, "lucilla fornaro"
>>> <lucillafornarosawamoto at gmail.com
>>> <mailto:lucillafornarosawamoto at gmail.com>> escribió:____
>>>
>>> ____
>>>
>>> Dear all,____
>>>
>>> ____
>>>
>>> I have some concerns about the “Abuse Contact Policy”.____
>>>
>>> First of all, it does not offer a specific and regulated
>>> description of the term “abuse” and this opens the door
>>> to potentially bigger problems: a surplus of reports,
>>> discrimination/legal issues, and a waste of resources.
>>> Around the world, we can perceive what abuse is in very
>>> different ways.____
>>>
>>> ____
>>>
>>> Afrinic is not entitled to force members to report abuses
>>> and most importantly, this proposal does not represent
>>> Afrinic’s purpose.____
>>>
>>> ____
>>>
>>> I, therefore, oppose this policy.____
>>>
>>> ____
>>>
>>> ____
>>>
>>> Thank you,____
>>>
>>> ____
>>>
>>> Lucilla ____
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________ RPD
>>> mailing list RPD at afrinic.net <mailto:RPD at afrinic.net>
>>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd
>>> <https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd> ____
>>>
>>>
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>>> Are you ready for the new Internet ?
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>>> This electronic message contains information which may be
>>> privileged or confidential. The information is intended to
>>> be for the exclusive use of the individual(s) named above
>>> and further non-explicilty authorized disclosure, copying,
>>> distribution or use of the contents of this information,
>>> even if partially, including attached files, is strictly
>>> prohibited and will be considered a criminal offense. If
>>> you are not the intended recipient be aware that any
>>> disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents
>>> of this information, even if partially, including attached
>>> files, is strictly prohibited, will be considered a
>>> criminal offense, so you must reply to the original sender
>>> to inform about this communication and delete it.____
>>>
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>>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd
>>> <https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd>____
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> IPv4 is over
>>>
>>>
>>> Are you ready for the new Internet ?
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> The IPv6 Company
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This electronic message contains information which may be
>>> privileged or confidential. The information is intended to be
>>> for the exclusive use of the individual(s) named above and
>>> further non-explicilty authorized disclosure, copying,
>>> distribution or use of the contents of this information, even
>>> if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited
>>> and will be considered a criminal offense. If you are not the
>>> intended recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying,
>>> distribution or use of the contents of this information, even
>>> if partially, including attached files, is strictly
>>> prohibited, will be considered a criminal offense, so you must
>>> reply to the original sender to inform about this
>>> communication and delete it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ____
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
>>> RPD mailing list
>>>
>>> RPD at afrinic.net <mailto:RPD at afrinic.net>
>>>
>>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd
>>> <https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd>____
>>>
>>> -- ____
>>>
>>> Lamiaa CHNAYTI____
>>>
>>> __ __
>>>
>>>
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>>> privileged or confidential. The information is intended to be for
>>> the exclusive use of the individual(s) named above and further
>>> non-explicilty authorized disclosure, copying, distribution or use
>>> of the contents of this information, even if partially, including
>>> attached files, is strictly prohibited and will be considered a
>>> criminal offense. If you are not the intended recipient be aware
>>> that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents
>>> of this information, even if partially, including attached files,
>>> is strictly prohibited, will be considered a criminal offense, so
>>> you must reply to the original sender to inform about this
>>> communication and delete it.
>>>
>>>
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