[rpd] KICKED OUT OF MICROPHONE QUEUE!

[ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE]

Dear all,
We apologise for any technical difficulty faced yesterday. We have
discussed with the relevant people to avoid such today. Please bear with
us. We are time-constrained and today we would only allow those
contributing 1 mins at the mic.  We would try as much as possible to
accommodate as many as possible to speak but please bear with us.
Thanks
Co. Chair PDWG

On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 9:49 AM Sami Salih <sami.salih at outlook.com> wrote:


> Cathie,

>

> Doable or not is depending on the number of participants who ask for the

> mic, we can't see how many of them so we need to trust our chairs to manage

> the session in fair but a balanced way.

> As community we need to make the session easier and let the chairs focus

> more on the substantial of the contribution, and I think utilizing chat is

> good channel to do so.

>

> Salam

>

> *Sami Salih*

> ------------------------------

> *From:* Cathie Jay <cathie.kay89 at gmail.com>

> *Sent:* Thursday, September 17, 2020 11:38 AM

> *To:* Sami Salih <sami.salih at outlook.com>

> *Cc:* rpd >> AfriNIC Resource Policy <rpd at afrinic.net>; JORDI PALET

> MARTINEZ <jordi.palet at consulintel.es>

> *Subject:* Re: [rpd] KICKED OUT OF MICROPHONE QUEUE!

>

> Dear Sami, dear community,

>

> What is central here is to give a platform to speak to everyone waiting in

> the queue, and this implies that the time for each speaker should be

> restricted to a few minutes. The question of a time limit for each speaker

> is therefore important. You can perfectly voice a well-structured,

> outstanding argument in a very short time. This is perfectly doable.

>

> All best wishes,

>

> Cathie

>

> On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 10:31 AM Sami Salih <sami.salih at outlook.com>

> wrote:

>

> Salam,

>

> It is really very difficult for the co-chairs to make everybody happy,

> time is very limited and it's a finite and scare resource. Limiting the

> intervention time may give chance for more people to talk, but the idea may

> need more time to be addressed, taking the system and translation issue,

> the chairs may decided to give more time for the sake of clearly get the

> point, equal time is fair but not alway work.

> I sugget to utilize the chat, and one of the chairs alway follow the chat

> and reply or cast the question to the author. In some cases this chair may

> deised to give the mic for more larification.

> So my proposal is not to ask for the mic, but write your thought to the

> chat and let the chairs manage this. I also ask staff to copy the chat for

> each session and share it in the rpd, so its become one of the meeting

> archive.

>

>

> *Sami Salih*

> ------------------------------

> *From:* JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <rpd at afrinic.net>

> *Sent:* Thursday, September 17, 2020 11:14 AM

> *To:* rpd >> AfriNIC Resource Policy <rpd at afrinic.net>

> *Subject:* Re: [rpd] KICKED OUT OF MICROPHONE QUEUE!

>

>

> While I agree that this can be much improved (yesterday before starting, I

> already asked if we can have an “on screen” timer and the developers

> confirmed that it is coming), I will suggest that we make as much as we

> can, use of the chat (so chairs can try to synthetize the issues) and

> specially the mailing list.

>

>

>

> This is also good for the authors to be able to respond even if there is

> not time. Yesterday I tried as much as possible to keep with the chat for

> every question, but it is almost impossible for authors vs “many”. That’s

> why I prefer the mailing list.

>

>

>

> This also shows how important is the “Simple PDP Update for the new

> “Normal”” proposal, because it gives the community 8 weeks to comment on

> the proposals and not just “until the presentation”, even if the meeting

> has finish and the chairs 2 weeks to take a decision after that. So if

> somebody has an objection and he can’t raise in the meeting, he can still

> do it in the mailing list and the chairs have time to read all the chats

> and mailing list even if they need several days (remember that this is a

> voluntary job, they also have their daily job).

>

>

>

> And what it is even more important. In order to really take a good

> decision of if there is consensus or not the chairs need to write down all

> the for and against and decide if they have been resolved or are mere

> “personal opinions”.

>

>

>

> That’s also needed in case of no-consensus for the authors to understand

> what they missed and what they may need to change in an new version for

> achieving consensus, or even consider if some of the objections can’t be

> accomodated.

>

>

>

> Regards,

>

> Jordi

>

> @jordipalet

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> El 17/9/20 10:07, "Cathie Jay" <cathie.kay89 at gmail.com> escribió:

>

>

>

> Dear Emem, dear community,

>

>

>

> Thank you very much for raising this contentious issue of being retrieved

> from the queue during yesterday's debate. I would urge the chairs to

> allocate a time limit for each speaker's slot who are waiting in the queue,

> as the first code of conduct. The Chairs will then monitor the time during

> which each speaker will express his/her thoughts about the policy. The

> chairs could at any time send a kind warning to let the speaker know that

> he/she will have to wrap up. Good luck to everybody for today's debate.

>

>

>

> All best wishes,

>

> Cathie

>

>

>

> On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 9:46 PM Emem William <dwizard65 at gmail.com> wrote:

>

> Dear all,

>

>

>

> I trust everyone here is doing great.

>

> I want to call the attention of the community to the unfortunate incident

> that occurred in today's PDWG meeting with regards to the microphone queue.

>

>

>

> I noticed that very few speakers were allowed to utilize almost all the

> duration of the commenting time irrespective of the fact that the

> microphone queue had  more members, especially during the Policy Compliance

> Dashboard discussion. I, alongside other participants were constantly

> removed from the microphone queue and all our efforts to rejoin ended in

> fiasco, perhaps due to time constraints.

>

>

>

> I suggest that the time allocated to each comment on the microphone queue

> in subsequent meetings should be adjusted with respect to the number of

> people on the queue so as to give room for atleast 90% of the participants

> on the queue without encroaching on time allocated for other discussions or

> presentations.

>

> I would like it if the Co-chairs could do this in the interest of all.

>

>

>

> A million thanks.

>

>

>

> Regards,

> Emem William

>

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