[rpd] Revised Proposal | Resource Transfer Policy (Draft-2)

[Gaby Giner]

How did you arrive at the idea that the "free-flowing market" or
essentially, a more effortless transfer of resources, would only benefit
those who want to misuse IP space? Seems like a slippery slope
argument from me. Conversely, a more unburdened market where resources can
be easily transferred between entities who actually need it is a good thing
and not harmful.

The idea of the policy is simple: if there is a lack of resources in a
specific place, this policy provides for a quicker and more efficient way
of transferring these much-needed resources. Dismissing the promise of the
policy (especially in a time where our resources need to be carefully used)
because of hypothetical nuances is regrettable and short-sighted.

Sincerely, Gabrielle.


On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 1:35 PM Fernando Frediani <fhfrediani at gmail.com>
wrote:


> This talk about "free flow market" is something that only benefits those

> willing to misuse IP space and profit from it instead of using it for its

> main propose which is ensure Internet can continuing developing in the

> region.

>

> As much this can be guaranteed, more the region IP space goes to those who

> need them to be able to exist in the Internet.

> That's what always matters and is pretty actual now a days

>

> Fernando

>

> On Tue, 15 Sep 2020, 01:14 lucilla fornaro, <

> lucillafornarosawamoto at gmail.com> wrote:

>

>> Hello everyone,

>>

>> As Ekaterina said, RIRs are not supposed to promote any “manhunt”

>> activities. In my opinion, we should focus more on how AFRINIC and the

>> other RIRs can operate smoothly to promote a free-flowing market, ensuring

>> a faster development within AFRINIC region service. How can RIRs support

>> this if it will not be possible to receive a transfer of resources for a

>> period of 12 months after a transfer approval? Plus, source entities must

>> not have received a transfer, allocation, or assignment of IPv4 number

>> resources from AFRINIC for the 12 months prior to the approval of the

>> transfer request with the exception of mergers and acquisitions transfers.

>> This is too intricate, which does not make it safer.

>> I understand that someone may have concerns about "malicious activities",

>> but as community members, we don’t have the instruments to discuss or

>> promote any moral-check activities.

>>

>>  RIRs are not supposed to show further interests in entities’ purposes as

>> long as technical needs are proved and documented.

>>

>> Lucilla

>>

>> ------------------------------

>> *Da:* Ekaterina Kalugina <kay.k.prof at gmail.com>

>> *Inviato:* Tuesday, September 15, 2020 3:21:46 AM

>> *A:* JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet at consulintel.es>

>> *Cc:* rpd >> AfriNIC Resource Policy <RPD at afrinic.net>

>> *Oggetto:* Re: [rpd] Revised Proposal | Resource Transfer Policy

>> (Draft-2)

>>

>> Hello everyone,

>> I would like to contribute to the present discussion.

>>

>> First of all, as far as I understood, the proposed resource transfer

>> policy would allow free transfer of resources with no limitations. I

>> honestly do not see how this policy “helps bad guys that want to use the

>> resources for malicious activities.” As I see from the section 5.7.5, in

>> order for the transfer to take place the receiving RIR has to give its

>> approval. I think this mechanism is more than enough to prevent potential

>> abuse.

>>

>> In addition, I would argue it is not up to the RIR to decide who are “bad

>> guys” and what are “malicious activities.” It is my conviction (please do

>> correct me if I am wrong), that RIRs are merely registration entities and

>> therefore cannot pass judgment of whether the receiver of transfer is a

>> “good” or a “bad” guy. RIRs also should not have any interest for which

>> purpose the resources are used as long as “technical need” is proven. Also,

>> according to my knowledge of how the international economy works – it

>> doesn’t matter if it is “good” or “bad” guys who are requesting the

>> transfer of resources, long as there is a free flow of resources, and the

>> commissions are being paid and taxed, it should only bolster the economy in

>> the region.

>>

>> In any case, I think we need to abstract ourselves from using moral

>> categories and focus on the important issues, which are, in my view,

>> facilitating the economic development of the African region and putting

>> AFRINIC on equal ground with other RIRs. As far as I can see, this policy

>> does precisely that. Therefore, I wholeheartedly support it.

>>

>> Warmest wishes,

>>

>> Ekaterina Kay Kalugina

>>

>> On Mon, 14 Sep 2020, 09:51 JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <rpd at afrinic.net>

>> wrote:

>>

>> If we are asking all the organizations to justify the need and to have

>> some wait time for more resources, why we want to have a different view on

>> the transfers?

>>

>>

>>

>> This only helps bad guys that want to use the resources for malicious

>> activities and also makes brokers getting more commissions.

>>

>>

>>

>> Regards,

>>

>> Jordi

>>

>> @jordipalet

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> El 14/9/20 5:30, "lucilla fornaro" <lucillafornarosawamoto at gmail.com>

>> escribió:

>>

>>

>>

>> I agree with your idea that basically corruption may occur (like in any

>> other policy and in any other RIR) but there are instruments to avoid it

>> and supervise.

>>

>> I believe that by not supporting organizations that need it due to

>> possible dishonesty, we only generate damage and a dangerous precedent.

>>

>>

>>

>> Lucilla

>>

>>

>>

>> Il giorno lun 14 set 2020 alle ore 11:49 Fernando Frediani <

>> fhfrediani at gmail.com> ha scritto:

>>

>> This type of justification in my view is a justification that only

>> benefits brokers and those who are willing to financially speculate from IP

>> space instead of using it for what they should be, and goes on the opposite

>> direction of other regions even after their respective exhaustion phases.

>>

>>

>>

>> Fernando

>>

>>

>>

>> On Sun, 13 Sep 2020, 23:38 lucilla fornaro, <

>> lucillafornarosawamoto at gmail.com> wrote:

>>

>> I think that with this proposal AFRINIC would fully be able to support

>> any kind of organization in this uncertain period. In fact, due to the

>> pandemic situation it is clear that unexpected problems may occur any time.

>> AFRINIC should be able to transfer resources even to those that gave up

>> assigned resources during the previous 12 months. Only this way it’s

>> possible to facilitate the flow of resources from those who have them in

>> excess ( and don’t use them) to those who need them and cannot afford to

>> wait 12 months.

>>

>>

>>

>> The issue concerning workload is relevant because as the proposal

>> supports, transfers won’t need approval from Afrinic. This and the section

>> 5.7.5 will help a lot to make the overall working system more efficient.

>>

>>

>>

>> I also think that “no upper limit regarding the amount of transfers”

>> (section 5.7.3.3) will make a difference when IPv4 will be definitely

>> depleted.

>>

>>

>>

>> Lucilla

>>

>>

>>

>> Il giorno ven 11 set 2020 alle ore 02:53 Fernando Frediani <

>> fhfrediani at gmail.com> ha scritto:

>>

>> Releasing organizations from 12 months period doesn't make any sense and

>> goes in the opposite way of good sense. So someone who gave up their just

>> assigned resources transferring to someone else. What is the sense of it ?

>>

>> Smaller organizations can receive resources from AfricNic directly in

>> Phase 2, so why would they need to make such transfers ? Also I don't think

>> anyone is against allowing transfers Intra and Inter-RIR at the current

>> stage. That's not the problem.

>>

>> I cannot understand what type of "issue" it can cause in terms of

>> workload to the RIR and the time required for each request ? What does one

>> thing have to do with the other ? If a request fulfill the minimal

>> requirements there are no delays or extra workload do process the request.

>>

>> Regarding the "enrichment of its own financial pocket by Allocation Fees"

>> this is still possible for any organizations who requests blocks according

>> to Phase 2 so that statement is not correct either.

>>

>> There is a better well written proposal to allow Inter-RIR transfers

>> under discussion which is and I invite others to support it instead which

>> is "IPv4 Inter-RIR Resource Transfers (Comprehensive Scope) Draft-4 ". This

>> one fulfill completely the need of Inter-RIR transfers for the region.

>>

>> Regards

>> Fernando

>>

>> On 10/09/2020 11:31, lucilla fornaro wrote:

>>

>> Hello everyone,

>>

>>

>>

>> My name is Lucilla, I graduated in Law and I am currently attending a

>> Master Degree in International Business. I would like to give my

>> contribution to the discussion.

>>

>>

>>

>> For 5.7.3.2: The barrier of 12 months represents an issue for many

>> entities that need to face unexpected problems. AFRINIC needs to allow a

>> smoother and faster resource transfer to support both smaller

>> organizations’ growth, as well as enrich its own financial pocket by the

>> Allocation Fees that need to be covered by entities that are not member

>> yet.

>>

>>

>>

>> And for what concerns other RIR like LACNIC, its policy is proving to

>> create some issue. They, as well as the other RIRs, are facing a heavy

>> workload because of the dilatation of time required for each request, that

>> once approved need to be included into another waiting list due to

>> quarantine reasons. These complications cannot be smoothly managed by

>> AFRINIC due its shortage of workforce. The section 5.7.3.2 would make the

>> overall working system more efficient. Furthermore, LACNIC entered phase 3

>> (back in 2017) of the IPv4 Exhaustion, meanwhile AFRINIC is facing a

>> different situation.

>>

>>

>>

>> I strongly support Section 5.7.3.3: it is positive not to have an upper

>> limit regarding the amount of transfer because this will facilitate the

>> flow of addresses. IPv4 addresses within the region will soon be depleted,

>> transfer policy for IPv4 resources within and outside the region is

>> strongly needed.

>>

>>

>>

>> Lucilla

>>

>>

>> ------------------------------

>>

>> *Da:* Fernando Frediani <fhfrediani at gmail.com> <fhfrediani at gmail.com>

>> *Inviato:* Thursday, September 10, 2020 1:49:44 PM

>> *A:* rpd at afrinic.net <rpd at afrinic.net> <rpd at afrinic.net>

>> *Oggetto:* Re: [rpd] Revised Proposal | Resource Transfer Policy

>> (Draft-2)

>>

>>

>>

>> I see that point 5.7.3.2 goes in the opposite way of the obvious.

>> If an organization gave up of its IP address space because it doesn't

>> have usage for it anymore, why would it be allowed to receive more

>> resources from AfriNic in short term ?

>> Organizations receive IP space upon justification expected to be used to

>> serve their customers in a certain time frame ahead. If sudden it realizes

>> these addresses are not necessary anymore and transfer them to some other

>> organization who really need them why would the source entity be allowed to

>> receive even further space ?

>> It is not correct to say it drags Afrinic service region backwards in

>> comparison to other RIRs. LACNIC and ARIN for example have similar policies

>> in regards this topic.

>>

>> 5.7.3.3. doesn't make sense either to be changed. The current text is

>> correct and has a proper reason to be like this, otherwise it opens doors

>> to fraud and to organizations to receive IP space form Afrinic and

>> immediately to transfer to someone else who cannot receive them anymore

>> under the current exhaustion rules.

>>

>> Therefore I oppose this proposal.

>>

>> Fernando

>>

>> On 09/09/2020 11:40, Ibeanusi Elvis wrote:

>>

>> Hello Everyone,

>>

>>

>>

>> My Name is Ibeanusi Elvis. I am a Masters student of Global Law, Politics

>> and Peace and Conflict Studies at the Tokyo University of Foreign Studies.

>> Highly Interested in Internet Governance and Policy Making specifically

>> within the AFRINIC service region.

>>

>>

>>

>> In regards to this proposal, I support the Proposed Section 5.7.3.2 as

>> source entities are eligible to receive further IPv4 allocations or

>> assignments from AFRINIC as long as it complies with current policy

>> because a 12 month non-eligibility delay period after transfer

>> approval diminishes, hinders and is detrimental to the operational,

>> developmental and growth of businesses within the AFRINIC region. Hence,

>> dragging the African continent and AFRINIC service region backwards in

>> comparison with other RIRs.

>>

>>

>>

>> Additionally, Section 5.7.3.2 and Section 5.7.5.3 ensures a swift

>> communication between the transferring and receiving RIRs to enhance a

>> smooth transfer and receive of allocations and assignments.

>>

>>

>>

>> Best regards,

>>

>> Ibeanusi Elvis .C.

>>

>>

>>

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