[rpd] Revised Proposal | Resource Transfer Policy (Draft-2)

[Fernando Frediani]

This talk about "free flow market" is something that only benefits those
willing to misuse IP space and profit from it instead of using it for its
main propose which is ensure Internet can continuing developing in the
region.

As much this can be guaranteed, more the region IP space goes to those who
need them to be able to exist in the Internet.
That's what always matters and is pretty actual now a days

Fernando

On Tue, 15 Sep 2020, 01:14 lucilla fornaro, <
lucillafornarosawamoto at gmail.com> wrote:


> Hello everyone,

>

> As Ekaterina said, RIRs are not supposed to promote any “manhunt”

> activities. In my opinion, we should focus more on how AFRINIC and the

> other RIRs can operate smoothly to promote a free-flowing market, ensuring

> a faster development within AFRINIC region service. How can RIRs support

> this if it will not be possible to receive a transfer of resources for a

> period of 12 months after a transfer approval? Plus, source entities must

> not have received a transfer, allocation, or assignment of IPv4 number

> resources from AFRINIC for the 12 months prior to the approval of the

> transfer request with the exception of mergers and acquisitions transfers.

> This is too intricate, which does not make it safer.

> I understand that someone may have concerns about "malicious activities",

> but as community members, we don’t have the instruments to discuss or

> promote any moral-check activities.

>

>  RIRs are not supposed to show further interests in entities’ purposes as

> long as technical needs are proved and documented.

>

> Lucilla

>

> ------------------------------

> *Da:* Ekaterina Kalugina <kay.k.prof at gmail.com>

> *Inviato:* Tuesday, September 15, 2020 3:21:46 AM

> *A:* JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet at consulintel.es>

> *Cc:* rpd >> AfriNIC Resource Policy <RPD at afrinic.net>

> *Oggetto:* Re: [rpd] Revised Proposal | Resource Transfer Policy (Draft-2)

>

> Hello everyone,

> I would like to contribute to the present discussion.

>

> First of all, as far as I understood, the proposed resource transfer

> policy would allow free transfer of resources with no limitations. I

> honestly do not see how this policy “helps bad guys that want to use the

> resources for malicious activities.” As I see from the section 5.7.5, in

> order for the transfer to take place the receiving RIR has to give its

> approval. I think this mechanism is more than enough to prevent potential

> abuse.

>

> In addition, I would argue it is not up to the RIR to decide who are “bad

> guys” and what are “malicious activities.” It is my conviction (please do

> correct me if I am wrong), that RIRs are merely registration entities and

> therefore cannot pass judgment of whether the receiver of transfer is a

> “good” or a “bad” guy. RIRs also should not have any interest for which

> purpose the resources are used as long as “technical need” is proven. Also,

> according to my knowledge of how the international economy works – it

> doesn’t matter if it is “good” or “bad” guys who are requesting the

> transfer of resources, long as there is a free flow of resources, and the

> commissions are being paid and taxed, it should only bolster the economy in

> the region.

>

> In any case, I think we need to abstract ourselves from using moral

> categories and focus on the important issues, which are, in my view,

> facilitating the economic development of the African region and putting

> AFRINIC on equal ground with other RIRs. As far as I can see, this policy

> does precisely that. Therefore, I wholeheartedly support it.

>

> Warmest wishes,

>

> Ekaterina Kay Kalugina

>

> On Mon, 14 Sep 2020, 09:51 JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <rpd at afrinic.net>

> wrote:

>

> If we are asking all the organizations to justify the need and to have

> some wait time for more resources, why we want to have a different view on

> the transfers?

>

>

>

> This only helps bad guys that want to use the resources for malicious

> activities and also makes brokers getting more commissions.

>

>

>

> Regards,

>

> Jordi

>

> @jordipalet

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> El 14/9/20 5:30, "lucilla fornaro" <lucillafornarosawamoto at gmail.com>

> escribió:

>

>

>

> I agree with your idea that basically corruption may occur (like in any

> other policy and in any other RIR) but there are instruments to avoid it

> and supervise.

>

> I believe that by not supporting organizations that need it due to

> possible dishonesty, we only generate damage and a dangerous precedent.

>

>

>

> Lucilla

>

>

>

> Il giorno lun 14 set 2020 alle ore 11:49 Fernando Frediani <

> fhfrediani at gmail.com> ha scritto:

>

> This type of justification in my view is a justification that only

> benefits brokers and those who are willing to financially speculate from IP

> space instead of using it for what they should be, and goes on the opposite

> direction of other regions even after their respective exhaustion phases.

>

>

>

> Fernando

>

>

>

> On Sun, 13 Sep 2020, 23:38 lucilla fornaro, <

> lucillafornarosawamoto at gmail.com> wrote:

>

> I think that with this proposal AFRINIC would fully be able to support any

> kind of organization in this uncertain period. In fact, due to the pandemic

> situation it is clear that unexpected problems may occur any time. AFRINIC

> should be able to transfer resources even to those that gave up assigned

> resources during the previous 12 months. Only this way it’s possible to

> facilitate the flow of resources from those who have them in excess ( and

> don’t use them) to those who need them and cannot afford to wait 12 months.

>

>

>

> The issue concerning workload is relevant because as the proposal

> supports, transfers won’t need approval from Afrinic. This and the section

> 5.7.5 will help a lot to make the overall working system more efficient.

>

>

>

> I also think that “no upper limit regarding the amount of transfers”

> (section 5.7.3.3) will make a difference when IPv4 will be definitely

> depleted.

>

>

>

> Lucilla

>

>

>

> Il giorno ven 11 set 2020 alle ore 02:53 Fernando Frediani <

> fhfrediani at gmail.com> ha scritto:

>

> Releasing organizations from 12 months period doesn't make any sense and

> goes in the opposite way of good sense. So someone who gave up their just

> assigned resources transferring to someone else. What is the sense of it ?

>

> Smaller organizations can receive resources from AfricNic directly in

> Phase 2, so why would they need to make such transfers ? Also I don't think

> anyone is against allowing transfers Intra and Inter-RIR at the current

> stage. That's not the problem.

>

> I cannot understand what type of "issue" it can cause in terms of workload

> to the RIR and the time required for each request ? What does one thing

> have to do with the other ? If a request fulfill the minimal requirements

> there are no delays or extra workload do process the request.

>

> Regarding the "enrichment of its own financial pocket by Allocation Fees"

> this is still possible for any organizations who requests blocks according

> to Phase 2 so that statement is not correct either.

>

> There is a better well written proposal to allow Inter-RIR transfers under

> discussion which is and I invite others to support it instead which is

> "IPv4 Inter-RIR Resource Transfers (Comprehensive Scope) Draft-4 ". This

> one fulfill completely the need of Inter-RIR transfers for the region.

>

> Regards

> Fernando

>

> On 10/09/2020 11:31, lucilla fornaro wrote:

>

> Hello everyone,

>

>

>

> My name is Lucilla, I graduated in Law and I am currently attending a

> Master Degree in International Business. I would like to give my

> contribution to the discussion.

>

>

>

> For 5.7.3.2: The barrier of 12 months represents an issue for many

> entities that need to face unexpected problems. AFRINIC needs to allow a

> smoother and faster resource transfer to support both smaller

> organizations’ growth, as well as enrich its own financial pocket by the

> Allocation Fees that need to be covered by entities that are not member

> yet.

>

>

>

> And for what concerns other RIR like LACNIC, its policy is proving to

> create some issue. They, as well as the other RIRs, are facing a heavy

> workload because of the dilatation of time required for each request, that

> once approved need to be included into another waiting list due to

> quarantine reasons. These complications cannot be smoothly managed by

> AFRINIC due its shortage of workforce. The section 5.7.3.2 would make the

> overall working system more efficient. Furthermore, LACNIC entered phase 3

> (back in 2017) of the IPv4 Exhaustion, meanwhile AFRINIC is facing a

> different situation.

>

>

>

> I strongly support Section 5.7.3.3: it is positive not to have an upper

> limit regarding the amount of transfer because this will facilitate the

> flow of addresses. IPv4 addresses within the region will soon be depleted,

> transfer policy for IPv4 resources within and outside the region is

> strongly needed.

>

>

>

> Lucilla

>

>

> ------------------------------

>

> *Da:* Fernando Frediani <fhfrediani at gmail.com> <fhfrediani at gmail.com>

> *Inviato:* Thursday, September 10, 2020 1:49:44 PM

> *A:* rpd at afrinic.net <rpd at afrinic.net> <rpd at afrinic.net>

> *Oggetto:* Re: [rpd] Revised Proposal | Resource Transfer Policy (Draft-2)

>

>

>

> I see that point 5.7.3.2 goes in the opposite way of the obvious.

> If an organization gave up of its IP address space because it doesn't have

> usage for it anymore, why would it be allowed to receive more resources

> from AfriNic in short term ?

> Organizations receive IP space upon justification expected to be used to

> serve their customers in a certain time frame ahead. If sudden it realizes

> these addresses are not necessary anymore and transfer them to some other

> organization who really need them why would the source entity be allowed to

> receive even further space ?

> It is not correct to say it drags Afrinic service region backwards in

> comparison to other RIRs. LACNIC and ARIN for example have similar policies

> in regards this topic.

>

> 5.7.3.3. doesn't make sense either to be changed. The current text is

> correct and has a proper reason to be like this, otherwise it opens doors

> to fraud and to organizations to receive IP space form Afrinic and

> immediately to transfer to someone else who cannot receive them anymore

> under the current exhaustion rules.

>

> Therefore I oppose this proposal.

>

> Fernando

>

> On 09/09/2020 11:40, Ibeanusi Elvis wrote:

>

> Hello Everyone,

>

>

>

> My Name is Ibeanusi Elvis. I am a Masters student of Global Law, Politics

> and Peace and Conflict Studies at the Tokyo University of Foreign Studies.

> Highly Interested in Internet Governance and Policy Making specifically

> within the AFRINIC service region.

>

>

>

> In regards to this proposal, I support the Proposed Section 5.7.3.2 as

> source entities are eligible to receive further IPv4 allocations or

> assignments from AFRINIC as long as it complies with current policy

> because a 12 month non-eligibility delay period after transfer

> approval diminishes, hinders and is detrimental to the operational,

> developmental and growth of businesses within the AFRINIC region. Hence,

> dragging the African continent and AFRINIC service region backwards in

> comparison with other RIRs.

>

>

>

> Additionally, Section 5.7.3.2 and Section 5.7.5.3 ensures a swift

> communication between the transferring and receiving RIRs to enhance a

> smooth transfer and receive of allocations and assignments.

>

>

>

> Best regards,

>

> Ibeanusi Elvis .C.

>

>

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