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[rpd] RPD Digest, Vol 167, Issue 10
Owen DeLong
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Thu Aug 6 23:57:58 UTC 2020
Actually, the PDP does state that variance of the RPD co-chair election is under the control of those present
in the PRD meeting, IIRC.
Owen
> On Aug 6, 2020, at 13:10 , Atoyebi Samuel Opeyemi <samuelrealworld at gmail.com> wrote:
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> +1 Benjamin
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> Regards
> Atoyebi Samuel
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> 1. Re: (no subject) (JORDI PALET MARTINEZ)
> 2. Elections (Sunday Ayuba)
> 3. Re: Elections (Benjamin Investor)
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> Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2020 17:46:31 +0200
> From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet at consulintel.es <mailto:jordi.palet at consulintel.es>>
> To: <rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>
> Subject: Re: [rpd] (no subject)
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> Hi Benjamin,
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> There is something that you?re probably missing.
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> The PDP is short in the elections. The PDP doesn't state how the elections are done, only a very generic framework, so in that case all is up to the Board.
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> The Board decided at some point to setup a process, and consequently the board is the one to modify the process.
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> While I agree that this process should be managed by the community, in this situation we can?t do that, so we should keep the process in the way the Board decided and work towards a real community decided process.
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> This is why, without having the crystal ball and consequently not knowing about the coming Covid-19 pandemic, in November 2019, we started to work in a complete proposal for this ?Chairs Elections Process?:
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> https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2019-gen-007-d1#proposal <https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2019-gen-007-d1#proposal>
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> The authors are right now working in updating this proposal, so I will suggest that we could invest some time in discussing it, so we can send a new version in a few days.
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> Regards,
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> Jordi
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> @jordipalet
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> El 6/8/20 17:33, "Benjamin Investor" <investor0189 at gmail.com <mailto:investor0189 at gmail.com>> escribi?:
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> Dear CEO,
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> Thank you for the email and the wonderful job you have been doing since appointed. However regarding your email, I totally disagree with you based on the following
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> 1. The guiding book of PDWG is the CPM and not the CEO's decision.
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> 2. The CPM is clear on who is a member of the PDWG. The CPM states clearly that Any person who has joined the making list is a member of if the working group.
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> 3. The CPM is also clear the chair is elected by members of the working group.
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> 4. There is no where in the CPM where there is a 6 months rule on voting therefore the rule cannot be created now. You cannot change the goalpost at the middle of the game. The election guideline issues at the time of nomination process is very clear as to how the election would take place. This is by shoe of hand. Show of hand can also be done online
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> 5. How can the AFRNIC determine that the increase in mailing list is because of elections. We all know that as a result of COVID 19 everyone is now moving online are you saying we would not deny this people the option to vote? We definitely cannot do that. For example I have been on the mailing list in the past and I opted out because of all the confusing and abuse always happening and I joined back again last week are you now going to deny me and others like me the opportunity to vote? This seams like an attempt by AFRINIC to rig the election in favour of the some groups.
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> 6. You made reference to other RIR can you please mention one RIR that has the 6 months rule in place before Thier online election. ?
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> 7. I think AFRINIC needs to be careful. AFRINIC staff is expected to be neutral in all cases and if Afrinic staff are now judging new members as to Thier motive of joining the WG this is not ideal.
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> Thank you
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> From: Sunday Ayuba <sundayayuba8 at gmail.com <mailto:sundayayuba8 at gmail.com>>
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> Dear AFRINIC CEO,
> Please can you explain to the community why you are setting the six months
> rule on who can vote and those who cannot vote. The CPM is very clear on
> who are members of the WG. It clearly states any person
> I quote the CPM
> " *Any person* can, participating either in person or remotely, is
> considered to be part of the Policy Development Working Group.
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> The Policy Development Working Group has two Chairs to perform its
> administrative functions. The PDWG Chairs are chosen by the AFRINIC
> community during the Public Policy Meeting and serve staggered two-year
> terms. The term ends during the first Public Policy Meeting corresponding
> to the end of the term for which they were appointed. A term may begin or
> end no sooner than the first day of the Public Policy Meeting and no later
> than the last day of the Public Policy Meeting as determined by the mutual
> agreement of the current Chair and the new Chair."
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> It is only the members of the WG that determine the co chairs are. This is
> an abberation that some people would be dienfrinchiced based on some rules
> suggested by a section of the community more especially when these
> section are in the minority. The election rules are very also clear it is
> by show of hands and am sure we can do show of hands. If you know that we
> are ripe for an online election then we should follow the rules. Organise
> an online election that follows the CPM. All Members of the working group
> would vote by show of hands. This is very simple. It would not be
> acceptable to this community if AFRINIC staff are now conniving with a
> section of the community to deny some people thier right. Are we now trying
> to divide the community into old and new members now because of elections.
> You should be glad that more people are now participating in the community.
> It's a multi-stakeholder process. The more people participating the better.
> The bigger the community the better. We all are stakeholders in the
> internet Community and we all are members of the working group and we all
> must participate in the election
> Thank you.
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> Regards,
> Sunday Ayuba.
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> From: Benjamin Investor <investor0189 at gmail.com <mailto:investor0189 at gmail.com>>
> To: Sunday Ayuba <sundayayuba8 at gmail.com <mailto:sundayayuba8 at gmail.com>>
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> Dear Eddy,
> Thank you for having time to respond to me. I understand the frustration
> with the community and your explanation. Two wrongs does not make a right.
> there has been alot of things wrong with our election process and we have
> been talking about it for years. Some people have benefitted from it in the
> past and we all know that even market women are allowed to vote but we
> can't say because of that we now invent our own rules. Let us follow the
> CPM and correct things if we need to by correcting the CPM. We can not in
> the process of claim wrong things and now do things through the back door
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> On Thu, Aug 6, 2020, 5:16 PM Sunday Ayuba <sundayayuba8 at gmail.com <mailto:sundayayuba8 at gmail.com>> wrote:
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> > Dear AFRINIC CEO,
> > Please can you explain to the community why you are setting the six months
> > rule on who can vote and those who cannot vote. The CPM is very clear on
> > who are members of the WG. It clearly states any person
> > I quote the CPM
> > " *Any person* can, participating either in person or remotely, is
> > considered to be part of the Policy Development Working Group.
> >
> > The Policy Development Working Group has two Chairs to perform its
> > administrative functions. The PDWG Chairs are chosen by the AFRINIC
> > community during the Public Policy Meeting and serve staggered two-year
> > terms. The term ends during the first Public Policy Meeting corresponding
> > to the end of the term for which they were appointed. A term may begin or
> > end no sooner than the first day of the Public Policy Meeting and no later
> > than the last day of the Public Policy Meeting as determined by the mutual
> > agreement of the current Chair and the new Chair."
> >
> > It is only the members of the WG that determine the co chairs are. This
> > is an abberation that some people would be dienfrinchiced based on some
> > rules suggested by a section of the community more especially when these
> > section are in the minority. The election rules are very also clear it is
> > by show of hands and am sure we can do show of hands. If you know that we
> > are ripe for an online election then we should follow the rules. Organise
> > an online election that follows the CPM. All Members of the working group
> > would vote by show of hands. This is very simple. It would not be
> > acceptable to this community if AFRINIC staff are now conniving with a
> > section of the community to deny some people thier right. Are we now trying
> > to divide the community into old and new members now because of elections.
> > You should be glad that more people are now participating in the community.
> > It's a multi-stakeholder process. The more people participating the better.
> > The bigger the community the better. We all are stakeholders in the
> > internet Community and we all are members of the working group and we all
> > must participate in the election
> > Thank you.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Sunday Ayuba.
> >
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