[rpd] RPD Digest, Vol 167, Issue 10

[Atoyebi Samuel Opeyemi]

+1 Benjamin

Regards
Atoyebi Samuel
On Thursday, August 6, 2020, <rpd-request at afrinic.net> wrote:


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>    1. Re: (no subject) (JORDI PALET MARTINEZ)

>    2. Elections (Sunday Ayuba)

>    3. Re: Elections (Benjamin Investor)

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> Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2020 17:46:31 +0200

> From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet at consulintel.es>

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> Hi Benjamin,

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>

> There is something that you?re probably missing.

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> The PDP is short in the elections. The PDP doesn't state how the elections

> are done, only a very generic framework, so in that case all is up to the

> Board.

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>

>

> The Board decided at some point to setup a process, and consequently the

> board is the one to modify the process.

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>

>

> While I agree that this process should be managed by the community, in

> this situation we can?t do that, so we should keep the process in the way

> the Board decided and work towards a real community decided process.

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>

>

> This is why, without having the crystal ball and consequently not knowing

> about the coming Covid-19 pandemic, in November 2019, we started to work in

> a complete proposal for this ?Chairs Elections Process?:

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>

>

> https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2019-gen-007-d1#proposal

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> The authors are right now working in updating this proposal, so I will

> suggest that we could invest some time in discussing it, so we can send a

> new version in a few days.

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>

>

> Regards,

>

> Jordi

>

> @jordipalet

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> El 6/8/20 17:33, "Benjamin Investor" <investor0189 at gmail.com> escribi?:

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> Dear CEO,

>

> Thank you for the email and the wonderful job you have been doing since

> appointed. However regarding your email, I totally disagree with you based

> on the following

>

> 1. The guiding book of PDWG is the CPM and not the CEO's decision.

>

> 2. The CPM is clear on who is a member of the PDWG. The CPM states clearly

> that Any person who has joined the making list is a member of if the

> working group.

>

> 3. The CPM is also clear the chair is elected by members of the working

> group.

>

> 4. There is no where in the CPM where there is a 6 months rule on voting

> therefore the rule cannot be created now. You cannot change the goalpost at

> the middle of the game. The election guideline issues at the time of

> nomination process is very clear as to how the election would take place.

> This is by shoe of hand. Show of hand can also be done online

>

> 5. How can the AFRNIC determine that the increase in mailing list is

> because of elections. We all know that as a result of COVID 19 everyone is

> now moving online are you saying we would not deny this people the option

> to vote? We definitely cannot do that. For example I have been on the

> mailing list in the past and I opted out because of all the confusing and

> abuse always happening and I joined back again last week are you now going

> to deny me  and others like me the opportunity to vote? This seams like an

> attempt by AFRINIC to rig the election in favour of the some groups.

>

> 6. You made reference to other RIR can you please mention one RIR that has

> the 6 months rule in place before Thier online election. ?

>

> 7. I think AFRINIC needs to be careful. AFRINIC staff is expected to be

> neutral in all cases and if Afrinic staff are now judging new members as to

> Thier motive of joining the WG this is not ideal.

>

> Thank you

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> Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2020 17:12:47 +0100

> From: Sunday Ayuba <sundayayuba8 at gmail.com>

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> Dear AFRINIC CEO,

> Please can you explain to the community why you are setting the six months

> rule on who can vote and those who cannot vote. The CPM is very clear on

> who are members of the WG. It clearly states any person

> I quote the CPM

> " *Any person* can, participating either in person or remotely, is

> considered to be part of the Policy Development Working Group.

>

> The Policy Development Working Group has two Chairs to perform its

> administrative functions. The PDWG Chairs are chosen by the AFRINIC

> community during the Public Policy Meeting and serve staggered two-year

> terms. The term ends during the first Public Policy Meeting corresponding

> to the end of the term for which they were appointed. A term may begin or

> end no sooner than the first day of the Public Policy Meeting and no later

> than the last day of the Public Policy Meeting as determined by the mutual

> agreement of the current Chair and the new Chair."

>

> It is only the members of the WG that determine the co chairs are.  This is

> an abberation that some people would be dienfrinchiced based on some rules

> suggested by a  section of the community more especially when  these

>  section are in the minority.  The election rules are very also clear it is

> by show of hands and am sure we can do show of hands. If you know that we

> are ripe for an online election then we should follow the rules. Organise

> an online election that follows the CPM. All Members of the working group

> would vote by show of hands. This is very simple. It would not be

> acceptable to this community if AFRINIC staff are now conniving with a

> section of the community to deny some people thier right. Are we now trying

> to divide the community into old and new members now because of elections.

> You should be glad that more people are now participating in the community.

> It's a multi-stakeholder process. The more people participating the better.

> The bigger the community the better. We all are stakeholders in the

> internet Community and we all are members of the working group and we all

> must participate in the election

> Thank you.

>

> Regards,

> Sunday Ayuba.

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> Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2020 17:34:47 +0100

> From: Benjamin Investor <investor0189 at gmail.com>

> To: Sunday Ayuba <sundayayuba8 at gmail.com>

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> Subject: Re: [rpd] Elections

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> Dear Eddy,

> Thank you for having time to respond to me. I understand the frustration

> with the community and your explanation. Two wrongs does not make a right.

> there has been alot of things wrong with our election process and we have

> been talking about it for years. Some people have benefitted from it in the

> past and we all know that even market women are allowed to vote but we

> can't say because of that we now invent our own rules. Let us follow the

> CPM and correct things if we need to by correcting the CPM. We can not in

> the process of claim wrong things and now do things through the back door

>

> On Thu, Aug 6, 2020, 5:16 PM Sunday Ayuba <sundayayuba8 at gmail.com> wrote:

>

> > Dear AFRINIC CEO,

> > Please can you explain to the community why you are setting the six

> months

> > rule on who can vote and those who cannot vote. The CPM is very clear on

> > who are members of the WG. It clearly states any person

> > I quote the CPM

> > " *Any person* can, participating either in person or remotely, is

> > considered to be part of the Policy Development Working Group.

> >

> > The Policy Development Working Group has two Chairs to perform its

> > administrative functions. The PDWG Chairs are chosen by the AFRINIC

> > community during the Public Policy Meeting and serve staggered two-year

> > terms. The term ends during the first Public Policy Meeting corresponding

> > to the end of the term for which they were appointed. A term may begin or

> > end no sooner than the first day of the Public Policy Meeting and no

> later

> > than the last day of the Public Policy Meeting as determined by the

> mutual

> > agreement of the current Chair and the new Chair."

> >

> > It is only the members of the WG that determine the co chairs are.  This

> > is an abberation that some people would be dienfrinchiced based on some

> > rules suggested by a  section of the community more especially when

> these

> >  section are in the minority.  The election rules are very also clear it

> is

> > by show of hands and am sure we can do show of hands. If you know that we

> > are ripe for an online election then we should follow the rules. Organise

> > an online election that follows the CPM. All Members of the working group

> > would vote by show of hands. This is very simple. It would not be

> > acceptable to this community if AFRINIC staff are now conniving with a

> > section of the community to deny some people thier right. Are we now

> trying

> > to divide the community into old and new members now because of

> elections.

> > You should be glad that more people are now participating in the

> community.

> > It's a multi-stakeholder process. The more people participating the

> better.

> > The bigger the community the better. We all are stakeholders in the

> > internet Community and we all are members of the working group and we all

> > must participate in the election

> > Thank you.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Sunday Ayuba.

> >

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