[rpd] RPD Digest, Vol 166, Issue 45

[Kakel Mbumb]

"Where there is a will, there is a way..."
Process of Innovation and change should occur according to context,
culture, mentality, habits and leadership styles.

Le sam. 18 juil. 2020 à 10:08, <rpd-request at afrinic.net> a écrit :


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>    1. Re: Co-Chair Election Process (JORDI PALET MARTINEZ)

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> Message: 1

> Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 11:07:30 +0200

> From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet at consulintel.es>

> To: "rpd at afrinic.net" <rpd at afrinic.net>

> Subject: Re: [rpd] Co-Chair Election Process

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> Not really ? your expressions are valid for this case (we also have the

> equivalent ones in Spanish), but ?poder es querer? has different

> connotations.

>

>

>

> Poder has a double-sense. Stands for ?power? is a verb, may be ?to have

> the power?

>

> Querer is the verb ?to want?, also ?love?. I think the most appropriate

> here is ?to will?

>

>

>

> So probably the best translation will be ?will is to have power?

>

>

>

> Actually the complete expresion es ?poder es querer y querer es poder?

>

>

>

> Regards,

>

> Jordi

>

> @jordipalet

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> El 18/7/20 6:01, "Owen DeLong" <owen at delong.com> escribi?:

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>

>

> Jordi,

>

>

>

> The closest English translation is ?Necessity is the mother of invention??

> It means ?that which is needed will eventually be invented.?

>

>

>

> Another close corollary is ?Problem is just another word for Opportunity?.

>

>

>

> Owen

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>

>

>

> On Jul 17, 2020, at 8:51 PM, Kangamutima zabika Christophe <

> funga.roho at yandex.com> wrote:

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>

>

> +1 Jordi

>

>

>

> Je soutien parfaitement ta fa?on de voir les choses. Nous devrions plutot

> recenser tous les obstacles tout en examinant les solutions plausibles au

> lieu de nous enteter dans le sc?nario de l'impossibilit?.

>

>

>

> KANGAMUTIMA

>

>

>

> 17.07.2020, 22:41, "JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD" <rpd at afrinic.net>:

>

> Hi Anthony,

>

>

>

> It looks very strange to me that people from Africa itself is the most

> pessimistic about ?we can?t do this? and all kind of objections, while the

> rest of the world did that. Is like you don?t trust yourself.

>

>

>

> There is no need to do it ?absolutely? on-line in the second or even

> minute. For an election, you can open a time frame for 7 days before the

> deadline, or during the full on-line event, or something similar.

>

>

>

> There are tons of solutions to all the possible issues that you and others

> are exposing.

>

>

>

> I always say  ?querer es poder?, which I?m not sure if it can be directly

> translated to English as ?wanting to do something is being able to do it?.

>

>

>

> Regards,

>

> Jordi

>

> @jordipalet

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> El 17/7/20 20:48, "Anthony Ubah" <ubah.tonyiyke at gmail.com> escribi?:

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>

>

> Hello,

>

> It will be extremely difficult to run an online election in such small

> notice without flaws.

>

> The idea of hand-raising looks interesting, but as Owen highlighted, there

> is the possibility of an individual sitting behind multiple terminals,

> across multiple VPNs, or on VMs raising hands. There is also no limit to

> the number of email accounts one can register in the RPD.

>

> Also, internet speeds in different parts of the continent can not

> guarantee real-time participation to the voting process. Poorly timed

> voting can impact election results.

>

> An online voting system can only be credible if every member of the

> community is assigned a unique ID, and if there is a policy guiding the

> accreditation of voters. These are not obtainable at the moment.

>

> Thus forcing an e-voting process will be a recipe for chaos and disaster.

>

> I think the current co-chairs should be made to stay on, until the next

> window.

>

>

>

> Kind regards,

>

> Anthony

>

>

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>    1. Re: Co-Chair Election Process (Owen DeLong)

>    2. Re: Co-Chair Election Process (Owen DeLong)

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> Message: 1

> Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 09:28:46 -0700

> From: Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com>

> To: Murungi Daniel <dmurungi at wia.co.tz>

> Cc: "rpd >> AfriNIC Resource Policy" <rpd at afrinic.net>

> Subject: Re: [rpd] Co-Chair Election Process

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> > On Jul 16, 2020, at 06:10 , Murungi Daniel <dmurungi at wia.co.tz> wrote:

> >

> > Dear all,

> >

> > Am of the view that we should proceed with the election. The current

> environment (inability to vote in person or via show of hands) provides us

> with an opportunity to come up with alternative mechanisms which can be

> tested and modified accordingly.

> >

> > If we are faced with another scenario such as this in the future, we

> won?t have to go back to the drawing board.

> >

> > Regarding the ?sleeper cells? effect (aptly named by Sami :) ), the

> suggestion of a minimum number of posts should suffice. We should also

> follow up on the suggestion of always using email IDs associated with the

> member's organization as mentioned in previous posts (we could discuss this

> plus other alternatives on a separate thread).

>

> Every regions PDP is open to any interested participant, not merely

> resource holders or members.

>

> As such, I?m not sure how demanding the use of email IDs associated with a

> member?s organization could possibly be valid.

>

> Owen

>

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> Message: 2

> Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 09:34:18 -0700

> From: Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com>

> To: Daniel Yakmut <yakmutd at googlemail.com>

> Cc: "rpd >> AfriNIC Resource Policy" <rpd at afrinic.net>

> Subject: Re: [rpd] Co-Chair Election Process

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> I am not opposed to tenure extension until we can come to an agreed

> process.

>

> However, I think that if we use the raised-hand capability of the

> conferencing system chosen (Zoom, WebEx, Adobe all have this feature), I

> think we have a reasonable approximation of the same situation as the

> in-person meeting.

>

> I?m not aware of any Bots that have mastered joining a remote meeting and

> engaging in a show of hands at the appropriate time when a question is

> called by voice. That would, indeed, be one heck of a sophisticated bot.

>

> There is, of course, the risk of someone sitting at multiple machines

> logged into the conference multiple times under different identities, but

> that can be solved by limiting the participation to RPD list subscribers

> where each subscribed email is able to get exactly one session.

>

> We could even base it on a cutoff of emails registered on the list prior

> to some date certain, perhaps even the original AIS start date.

>

> Owen

>

>

> > On Jul 16, 2020, at 06:57 , Daniel Yakmut via RPD <rpd at afrinic.net>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear All,

> > How do we generate a voters register? How do we verify that the voters

> are humans not robots?

> >

> > Let us remember, there are people who will never participate in

> exchanges on the rpd, but when it comes to voting they will vote, because

> they have been passive observers. So tying any condition like no. of posts

> is an exclusion agenda.

> >

> > It is an attempt by the vocal minority to suppress the silent majority,

> and this is a recipe for commotion.

> >

> > That is why I posit that, agreeing to terms and conditions for e-voting

> in a polarise environment will take time, intense discussions, confidence

> building and trust. This I am not sure we can achieve before September.

> >

> > Hence, the tenure extension will allow us resolve all issues. I think

> e-voting is inevitable in the foreseeable future.

> >

> > Simply,

> > Daniel

> >

> > On Jul 16, 2020 12:55 PM, "Paschal Ochang" <pascosoft at gmail.com <mailto:

> pascosoft at gmail.com>> wrote:

> > Hello all,

> >

> > Yes I will gave to agree with the extension of the period of service of

> the current co-chair whose tenure is about to expire. In as much as almost

> every process in the is pandemic era will benefit from virtual

> participations we need to look at the intricacies of the current

> suggestions for using rpd participants and remote voting.

> >

> > I can remember that a policy regarding electronic voting was rejected

> due to loopholes in the proposal.

> >

> > Secondly disenfranchising folks who will love to participate even in the

> last minute should not be justifiable.

> >

> >

> > On Thursday, July 16, 2020, Taiwo Oyewande <taiwo.oyewande88 at gmail.com

> <mailto:taiwo.oyewande88 at gmail.com>> wrote:

> > Hi Eddy, Hi all,

> >

> > At a time like this, based on the importance of the co-chair election to

> the policy development process, the standing election process that clearly

> states a show of hands and the delicate nature of this election, i will

> like to suggest that the period of service of the current co-chair be

> extended till the next face to face meeting.

> >

> > Regards

> > Taiwo

> >

> >> On 16 Jul 2020, at 11:48, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <rpd at afrinic.net

> <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>> wrote:

> >>

> >> ?

> >> Yep, in fact looking at the features and the way it works, seems very

> very close to what LACNIC is using (I believe the developed in-house, but

> I?m not sure).

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> Regards,

> >>

> >> Jordi

> >>

> >> @jordipalet

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> El 16/7/20 12:35, "Mike Silber" <silber.mike at gmail.com <mailto:

> silber.mike at gmail.com>> escribi?:

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> This platform has been recommended to me and code is available:

> https://heliosvoting.org <https://heliosvoting.org/>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> On 16 Jul 2020, at 11:51, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <rpd at afrinic.net

> <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>> wrote:

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> Hi Eddy, all,

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> LACNIC always do this remotely and electronically, using the

> subscribers in the RPD mailing list at some point before the process starts

> (to avoid ?lots of friends? not really ?part of the PDP? to join the day

> before the voting).

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> I will think it is the best choice we have in replacement for a

> non-in-person-meeting.

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> I think they could help in providing the platform or the code or

> something similar, in case you don?t have already an existing platform to

> do that.

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> Regards,

> >>

> >> Jordi

> >>

> >> @jordipalet

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> El 16/7/20 11:47, "Eddy Kayihura" <eddy at afrinic.net <mailto:

> eddy at afrinic.net>> escribi?:

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> Dear PDWG community members

> >>

> >> The Public Policy Meeting will be on the agenda of the  Africa Internet

> Summit 2020 (AIS-20) inSeptember. One PDWG co-chair?s term (one year) will

> end during the Public Policy Meeting.

> >>

> >> The election process for the PDWG co-chair (please see

> https://www.afrinic.net/policy/development-working-group#election <

> https://www.afrinic.net/policy/development-working-group#election> for

> more details) says that voting shall be by a simple show of hands. However,

> this Public Policy meeting shall be held online.

> >>

> >> We are therefore requesting feedback from the community on how AFRINIC

> can best proceed with the election to fill the vacant seat of one PDP

> co-chair. We shall be delighted to receive your proposals for this

> important matter and hope we can have a consensus within a week.

> >>

> >> Regards,

> >>

> >> Eddy

> >>

> >> -----

> >>

> >> Chers membres de la communaut? du PDWG,

> >>

> >> La r?union de politique publique sera ? l'ordre du jour du Sommet

> Africain de l'Internet 2020 (AIS-20) qui se tiendra du 14 au 18 septembre

> 2020. Le mandat d'un des copr?sidents du PDWG (un an) prendra fin pendant

> la r?union de politique publique.

> >>

> >> Le processus d'?lection du copr?sident du PDWG (voir

> https://www.afrinic.net/policy/development-working-group#election <

> https://www.afrinic.net/policy/development-working-group#election> pour

> plus de d?tails) pr?voit que le vote se fera ? main lev?e. Toutefois, cette

> r?union de politique publique se tiendra en ligne.

> >>

> >> Nous demandons donc ? la communaut? de nous faire part de ses

> commentaires sur la meilleure fa?on pour AFRINIC de proc?der ? l'?lection

> pour pourvoir le si?ge vacant d'un copr?sident du PDP. Nous serons ravis de

> recevoir vos propositions sur cette importante question et esperons avoir

> un consensus dans une semaine.

> >>

> >> Cordialement,

> >>

> >> Eddy

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> ----

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> Eddy Kayihura

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> Chief Executive Officer

> >>

> >>

> >>

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> >>

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