[rpd] [Community-Discuss] Cloud Innovation Displays Very Poor, If Not Criminal, Netizenship

[Murungi Daniel]

Dear Taiwo,

The heavy handed words I referred to were in other posts and for further clarification, I have no problem with heavy handed language so long as it is on topic and does not breach the rules of conduct. 

In my opinion (as is the opinion of others), Noah’s post did not breach the rules. Thus, my request to Abdulkarim to clearly specify which statements he found offensive, and chaotic.

Additionally, the community judged the discussion to be in scope of the RPD list.

Regards,
Daniel



> On Jun 6, 2020, at 11:50 AM, Taiwo Oyewande <taiwo.oyewande88 at gmail.com> wrote:

> 

> Good day,

> 

> I think the co-chairs are doing the job they were elected to do and we should commend them for a great job so far. Just as @Murungi stated, Noah had some heavy handed words. Also the co-chairs stated -rightfully-  that those messages were out of scope and the RPD mailing list be used only for policy discussions to determine a way forward in the community. 

> I also agree with Marcus that Noah had some constructive points laid out especially after the stern warning was given. I think the co-chairs should be applauded for repositioning Noah’s great knowledge back to the focus of the list and to further tap his experience towards the development of the community.

> Please let us all keep positive,  progressive and ofcos, safe. 

> 

> Taiwo

> 

> Sent from my iPhone

> 

>> On 6 Jun 2020, at 05:12, Arnaud AMELINA <amelnaud at gmail.com> wrote:

>> 

>> 

>> Abdulkarim, je n'ai pas du tout l'impression que ton jugement sur cette liste de discussion soit équitable. Il semblerait que certaines personnes ont le droit de dire tout ce qu'ils veulent et d'intimider (ce que le code de conduite interdit) les autres contributeurs , sans que tu ne te manifeste. Par contre tu t'acharnes sur d'autres contributeurs à chacune de leur intervention comme si tu recevais des instructions pour le faire. De grâce arrêtes ça et fait le job pour lequel tu as été élu . 

>> 

>> En quoi est-ce une attaque que de dénoncer une usurpation de ressources (ASN) d'un client par un autre client d'Afrinic constituerait une attaque personnelle comme stipulé dans le code de conduite? Soit objectif et équitable dans tes décisions. 

>> 

>> Cordialement

>> 

>> Arnaud 

>> 

>> Le ven. 5 juin 2020 à 21:11, ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE <oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng <mailto:oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng>> a écrit :

>> Dear Marcus, 

>> Yes, I agree that the follow-up discussion was useful and am sure you would agree with us that it became useful when no one felt under attack.

>> Its that type of discussions that the code of conduct we all signed up to permits.  We were never disruptive maybe you meant constructive as we were only doing the job the community elected us to do.

>> Cheers

>> Co-Chair  

>> Cheers and Have 

>> 

>> 

>> On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 4:28 PM Marcus K. G. Adomey <madomey at hotmail.com <mailto:madomey at hotmail.com>> wrote:

>> I have not seen any response to this query and the followup discussions on the incident on rpd has proven to be useful for the mandate and scope of the PDP.

>> 

>> You were just disruptive and you must stop this recurrent censorship as others have said.

>> 

>> Please reinstate immediately Noah’s posting rights with apologies.

>> 

>> Regards,

>> 

>> 

>> Marcus

>> 

>> From: Murungi Daniel <dmurungi at wia.co.tz <mailto:dmurungi at wia.co.tz>>

>> Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 8:11 PM

>> To: ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE <oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng <mailto:oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng>>

>> Cc: Ubah Anthony Ikechukwu <ubah.tonyiyke at gmail.com <mailto:ubah.tonyiyke at gmail.com>>; rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net> <rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>

>> Subject: Re: [rpd] [Community-Discuss] Cloud Innovation Displays Very Poor, If Not Criminal, Netizenship

>>  

>> Dear Abdulkarim,

>> 

>> Kindly elaborate on the details of the personal attack and chaos you mentioned in your last email.

>> 

>> 

>> Regards,

>> Daniel

>> 

>>> On May 31, 2020, at 10:14 PM, ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE <oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng <mailto:oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng>> wrote:

>>> 

>>> Dear Murungi,

>>> I have no issues with transparency, infact what I want is transparency. What we don't want is chaos. I don't think you would tolerate someone attacking you personally. 

>>> Thanks

>>> 

>>> On Sun, 31 May 2020, 19:36 Murungi Daniel, <dmurungi at wia.co.tz <mailto:dmurungi at wia.co.tz>> wrote:

>>> +1 @Mark Tinka.

>>> 

>>> @Abdulkarim, it seems you have an issue with transparency on this list. Granted, some of Noah’s words may be heavy handed ( he is a passionate fellow) but I see no cause for the action you are proposing.

>>> 

>>> Your ‘power’ as Co -PWGD is not to be wielded for stifling member voices or punishing what you perceive to be a personal slight.

>>> 

>>> 

>>> Regards,

>>> Daniel

>>> 

>>> 

>>> > On May 31, 2020, at 10:29 AM, Mark Tinka <mark.tinka at seacom.mu <mailto:mark.tinka at seacom.mu>> wrote:

>>> > 

>>> > 

>>> > 

>>> > On 30/May/20 08:11, ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE wrote:

>>> > 

>>> >> Dear Noah,

>>> >> Your last  email has clearly violated the last warning earlier issued

>>> >> by the Co-Chair. Therefore we are left with no choice than to moderate

>>> >> any email you send onto this mailing list. This would be reviewed

>>> >> after a week.

>>> > 

>>> > I would have to say that this is a very slippery slope we are treading down.

>>> > 

>>> > Mark.

>>> > 

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